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Caligrl
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Daily Subscription Msg 41 Posted: 09:20 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
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Ok… I apologize for not reading through all of your post. I guess you can say I am a typical woman and reacting to the first thing I read. I apologize for that. But now that I have read through some of them I will comment again.
Help me understand this fact… you state that you are "mostly vegetarian". Which on the west coast doesn't surprise me one bit. But what does surprise me is that your family "raises all our own vegetables and many fruits. We eat our own farm eggs laid by our own chickens..WHICH WE DO NOT KILL OR EAT!" Where in the heck do you live on the west coast near water in which you can surf on and grow vegtables and fruits and have chickens? I am pretty sure that there is a no live chicken in house regulation in Beverly Hills. Most if not all farms in the state of CA are all in the central valley not even close to where you grab your surf board and surf everyday! I do understand that you are now living in the Midwest but I find it hard to believe that you just all of the sudden started living on a farm and growing all of your own veggies and raising chickens! I would think that is more of a lifestyle. All the more power to you and your family though…but... I like my red meat!




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Daily Subscription Msg 42 Posted: 09:42 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
Look, the reason for this kind of discussion is to raise hackles and cause a stir. After all, why go fishing when you can buy fish at the market?






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Daily Subscription Msg 43 Posted: 10:37 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
So... Why do we hunt? That's an age old question. There was a time when hunting was part of our existance and the hunting instinct is one of the most basic instincts of mankind. After all, we are the ultimate predator and there was a time when our survival depended on our hunting skills. The problem is, as I see it, is that our want, drive and enjoyment of hunting is very hard to put into words and it is this lack of eloquence that makes the debate of why we hunt seem a one-sided debate. This is a major factor as to why the anti-hunting crowd's fight against our rights can be seemingly so successful. They ask why, but most of us can't express why. We, as hunters, really cannot explain fully as to why we hunt and if we have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand. The problem is that hunters recently seem to shun the issue altogether, and do not debate it at all. Hunters have been brow-beaten by a few outspoken anti-hunting groups and they now try to avoid the issue. In recent years wildlife professionals have skirted the hunting/anti-hunting issue by focusing on concepts such as conservation biology and biodiversity. But really, this is not why we hunt...

Maybe I can bring a glimpse of understanding to those who do not partake in this pastime. Though it's very hard to explain with my meager words...

Hunting brings values to those that hunt. Hunting rewards alertness, patience, self-restraint. Its rewards are stealth, keener vision, and a knowledge of the quarry and its environment. Those who refuse to learn the ways of the woods and the prey they are hunting are rarely successful.

There is an undeniable sense of pride that comes with the ability to secure one’s own food, but let’s face it, in this day and age, hunting is not solely a means to this end. Sure, we could buy our meat in sanitized, foam and plastic containers from the markets, leaving the killing to others. By doing so, however, we sacrifice our sense of self-reliance, of individuality, of our participation in the natural world.

In his essay on “Wildlife in American Culture,” Aldo Leopold reviews some of the personal and social benefits and potential costs of hunting. Any activity that renews our ties to the natural world is positive. Hunting helps people realize their dependence on soil, water, air, and sunlight, renewing their sense of belonging to the natural world. Hunting also reinforces the sense of history, allowing the hunter to relive the self-reliance of previous times. As it renews the historical perspective, hunting also has a positive impact on social and personal development. Doing something simply and for itself, like providing food for one’s family, builds self-esteem and confidence, and that is also a positive outcome. Hunting also offers an opportunity to make ethical decisions without benefit of a referee. In that regard, it can be positive or negative depending upon the ethical choices made.

Hunting can be portrayed by some groups as a barbaric, blood-thirsty sport. Little wonder, when you consider that most hunting opponents have never hunted, and hunting shows and videos often portray hunters as social misfits who are more interested in the killing and taking of trophy parts than in the exercise itself. But on the inside, a hunter is just the opposite. Most hunters are a dedicated people with a keen and vested interest in a given species and they provide protection for that species and its environment. They are a utility manager and a harvest tool that have significant impacts on wildlife and environmental issues. They speak for wildlife and wildlife management. They provide a powerful support base for voiceless resources that cannot vote or pay taxes.

So, why do we hunt? "We hunt because it is what we are. We hunt because we need the benefits it gives us. We hunt to eat. We hunt to protect crops and livestock. We hunt to rebuild our personal reserves, our spiritual strength, and our mental health. We hunt because we enjoy it and it makes us better human beings."

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Daily Subscription Msg 44 Posted: 10:39 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
Every time one eats an egg ,one kills a chicken!!


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Daily Subscription Msg 45 Posted: 12:29 PM 09/20/07 (CST)
I've read all posts. Looked at both sides. Even looked at why I hunt myself. Thruth be told, the lure of, as SU states it, "the kill" is a driving force, BUT it is a minor component of the reason why hunters do it. I can't speak for all, but in my hunting party, my two uncles, my great unlce and my cousin rarely ever get out into the stands. They just sit at the fire and talk. If something happens to walk by then yea, they'll try their hand, but its no biggie. Hunting doesn't mean to kill, it means to learn. I can't really express it better than WebDude did! All I know is, that you will rarely see a man of the woods attacking someone elses past time. Why is that you might ask? Becuase we respect that you like it. That you'll put in the time and effort and everything else that goes into whatever it is you enjoy doing. We don't like our toes stepped on as much as the next. So why do it to us?
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Daily Subscription Msg 46 Posted: 01:42 PM 09/20/07 (CST)
It seems there has been quite a bit of activity on this topic since I was on last. There are a few questions asked... and accusations made. Lets see....

HOOKED GOOD- well I do have both of those magazines you have shown. The one of the rabbit getting stabbed may be a bit over the edge.. maybe. The one with the man gutting the fish is very inaccurate. As stated, I fish a great deal..obviously I diverge with PETA on the issue of fishing..lot's of science showing that the piercing of a fishes lip does in no harm or pain.Same thing as eating a spiny finned prey fish. And what dork is gutting his fish in a suit and tie! I actually see a good bit of humor in them.

GUNFLINT--you stated, "Surfs up: I think moveon.org is back up". I guess if you feel you can't handle the message attack the messenger, right. Let's get this STRAIGHT. I am more hetorosexual than you are. That's 100% red blooded American boy. Remember the old Beach Boys song.."I Wish They All Could Be California Girls". Well there is good reason we wish for that my friend! You have shown a great example of why so many discredit the hunting community-- you had no reasons or even well thought ideas to take your position so you throw out a false accusation of homosexuality at me! AGAIN..I am more straight than you..no ambiguity...do you have ambiguity of your "orientation"? You really exhibit and show the best of the hunting community. I'm sure your mother must be really proud...you are a real class act there. I'm sure all the hunters are glad to have you speak for them.

FISHER, BOBBER DOWN, WEBDUDE, NEVEDOGG316-- Hey I really apopreciate the fact that you have taken time to consider and respond to the real heart of the issue. Can't ask for more than that. Fisher you asked a really good question for guys to consider in "Why do we really hunt". I am glad to see some of you guys actually thought about it...that has to be seen as progress in anyones book. I don't agree with your reasoning...but I respect you for your efforts..thank you. As I shared earlier..I used to hunt a good deal but found that I had no reason except to kill...and if honest I don't think many folks do. Thanks again for you thoughtfulness on the topic though. I actually hope to hear many more ACTUAL REASONS that folks on this forum hunt. Please enlighten us.. there might be reasons I, or others, have not heard. Webdude and Fisher both raised the point that it is in poor communicating that is largely behind the hunters loosing the media war at present. While I don't totally agree with that..it seems to me that the more openness there is on the lack of need to hunt the fewer hunters there will be...it is none the less true that it is poor communicating on the part of the hunters that is making it so easy to turn folks against it.

CALIGRL-- you stated, "Ok… I apologize for not reading through all of your post. I guess you can say I am a typical woman and reacting to the first thing I read. I apologize for that". Thank you... you are a lady and a scholar. To be treated fairly is all one can ask for. I appreciate your willingness to go the second mile in doing so. Many kudos sent your way.
You also stated, " I am pretty sure that there is a no live chicken in house regulation in Beverly Hills". That made me laugh out loud... I am sure you are right.
You further asked, " Where in the heck do you live on the west coast near water in which you can surf on and grow vegtables and fruits and have chickens?". Well a little north of where you mentioned. If you go straight north up the Pacific Coast Hwy (Hwy 1) from Santa Monica and just keep heading north you will in 50 miles or so turn the corner by Magoo Rock and head into the Oxnard Valley. I basically grew up inland 10 miles or so between Oxnard and Ventura. There is a Naval base there at Port Hueneme that lots of military folks would know about as well. We were less than 20 miles from the beach so I could get there in no time. We weren't a big farm or anything. Only around 6-7 acres I would guess. It wasn't our livelihood or income..just a way for us to enjoy extra fresh fruits, veggies, and have eggs to supplement our protein intake. We just basically produce enough for us and a few friends who might buy eggs or something from us on occasion However, we had some Avacado trees, orange and lemon trees as well. We had a nice big vegetable garden and a good strawberry bed. The chickens were kept normally in a fenced area of the barnyard with a coop for them. We never kept very many as we just used them for egg laying..probably 5 hens up to maybe a dozen at the most. They got out and ate bugs and things constantly though. I surfed all along from Oxnard up to Ventura. Speaking of fruit..did you ever go to the strawberry festival in Ventura? It was pretty sweet as well. I rarely surfed north of there though. Some guys went up around Santa Barbara but if I went that far north I normally made a run all the way to Solvang and just hung out in town for the day soaking up the culture of that quaint city. Hope that gives you a mental picture. I must say it was gorgeous..in the winter you could be on the beach looking at the palm trees while seeing the snow covered mountains in the background. You could surf waves in the morning and go ski snow in the evening on a few occasions. That was rad! Anyway, I have found Minnesota has its own beauty that I enjoy very much. Superior is a tremendously beautiful lake and the northwoods are really nice as well. I took a drive up to Split Rock Lighthouse and Gooseberry Falls.. really pretty.

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Daily Subscription Msg 47 Posted: 02:11 PM 09/20/07 (CST)
Surfs Up-
Glad I could get a laugh out of you! This is all in good fun... right? I have never been to the strawberry festival. I am from northern CA in the Bay Area. I do miss CA but my heart is in MSP! Sounds like you grew up in a great area in SoCal!
Have a great rest of your week!


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Daily Subscription Msg 48 Posted: 04:55 PM 09/20/07 (CST)
Why do I fish and now starting to hunt?

Well my father used to hunt and fish a lot from what I hear. But after I was born he stopped and never hunted again. We did fish together when he had time to take me. frown smiley He never did any of these things with me and now we haven't spooken in over 2 years, but that is a long story and I wont tell you. I have son of my own, he's 16 and I showed him how to fish and now we are learning together about the joys of hunting. I will never promise to take him fishing/hunting and then not have time.

When my kids were born I made a promise to myself never to treat them like I was treated when I was a kid. frown smiley

So surfsup go ahead and bash us hunters if you must, I really don't care.


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Daily Subscription Msg 49 Posted: 05:52 PM 09/20/07 (CST)
Hi just wanted to say im new on the forum!

Mind if I say a few things!

(Surfsup) I agree with you! HA HA, kiding! No one does! I don't think
you have killed an animal in your intire life! If so, show us some
pictures!

Another thing! Keep your DANG OPINION TO YOURSLF!!! Nobody wants to
hear you whine!

Listen to this: Hunting is not just a sport, its a life style! Another thing, I love to hunt and provide and clean animals for my family and myself!

Ok lets all put up all our weapons and let all the animals run free, NOT! Hunters keep animals at a managable population, animals would spread so many diseases that it would possibly whipe out the population of animal.

It would allow animals to eat all veggies and plants. So even people would be short of food if animals were wild and not being managed.

Did you know? That hunters are conservationist, not JUST by keeping animals at a reasonable population, also that all the hunting and fishing products hunters and fishers bie, 3% of that money goes to conservations! WOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! But PETA spent millions of dollars on campaigning ads, but should'n that money go to saving animals?

shocked smiley shocked smiley laugh smiley

Keep your opinion at a PETA forum, not here!

And to my new "Friends" on the forum, I'm not this mean! smile smiley
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Daily Subscription Msg 50 Posted: 07:02 PM 09/20/07 (CST)
BACKWOODSBOY15,
Welcome to the site, we hope you stick around a while!


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