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SurfsUp
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Daily Subscription Msg 31 Posted: 05:43 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
JJ... you are a piece of work aren't you? You stated, "Geeze surfsup... If you don't like fishing or hunting, what are you doing hanging around a fishing site for. Go join Peta or something. At least you will be hanging around like minds". Well JJ I do like fishing. I have stated it again and again. But you didn't read the posts did you. You just opened your mouth and spoke about things you are clueless on. True, I believe hunting is totally unnecessary and a horrid practice. I have given reasons for that..not just off the cuff feelings or opinions.

By the way..I do belong to PETA and The Sierra Club. I don't always agree with them either. PETA is anti fishing..the science shows no evidence to their points so I do not buy into that. I have an open mind...I hope others here may do the same.

You appear to want me to go away..however the mission statement of My Fishing Pals states, "My Fishing Pals will provide freedom of speech and freedom of opinion and we, the members, need not fear being banned, suspended or edited for voicing our opinions or ideas as long as we uphold the protection and preservation of our natural resources". I don't think there is any question that I hold to that criteria. The My Fishing Pals Mission Statement further states, "it is our mission to continue the free flow of ideas and information between members and others of the fishing community. We welcome all who wish to participate." It seems to me that you may be violating the mission statement with that attitude. I for one think it is a wonderful statement and would endorse it whole heartedly. I can only hope others will actually follow it as well.
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Daily Subscription Msg 32 Posted: 05:59 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
NorthShoreChef,

You ask some very good questions. I will try to answer them.

You asked, "you hunted for deer was it about the killing for you?" Well I didn't want to think it was..but by process of elimination I found it had to be. I could SAY it was to enjoy the outdoors, make a memory, or spend time with family. However, I CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS WITHOUT KILLING SOMETHING. That proves I wasn't doing it just for those reasons. The only other thing there was the kill. The thrill of the kill. I hunted blacktails in California..kind of a small muledeer. I could camp, spend time, etc, with family..but the kill is what makes it different. If you doubt that then just don't hunt...spend the time with friends, family, enjoy the outdoors, and if it isn't enough for you then you know you need the killing.

You bring up the issue of, "there are people up here who survive and feed their family by hunting(and picking up road kill)fishing and trapping". I can not believe that..I will tell you why. A few weeks back I was in a bar and heard some guys saying the same thing about how they had to have hunted food, road kill, etc. They did this as they dropped 15 bucks or more each on Leinenkugels and Budweisers. They had plenty of money to eat..they chose to spend it on booze. My quick research found traps at 7-15 dollars a piece. Again, the hunting is very expensive for what you get in return. There are very cheap but nutritional foods out there. Pasta, beans, rice, etc. etc. Not fancy but nutritious. I do not believe they "have to have" the meat. It might mean laying off the beer..but that is choice they have made. Drink and use the grocery money while saying i need "road kill" to survive.

You said, "you brought up disease, you need to be more
careful being a vegetarian, do you want to talk about present or
past recalls and people dying from them". I agree... that is why I said in message 17 of this thread, "You can't know where the food supply has come from unless you raise your own. My family raises all our own vegetables and many fruits. We eat our own farm eggs laid by our own chickens..WHICH WE DO NOT KILL OR EAT! I will on rare occasions eat a small serving of fish. Normally ones I have caught that were hooked to badly to live if released". If guys would grow a vegetable garden and put up food instead of hunting and drinking up their cash then they would have total control over their food supply.

With all due respect, it all sounds like excuses for a right to kill even when it is unneccessary and unneeded.
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Daily Subscription Msg 33 Posted: 06:30 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
SU,

Dude if you cant hunt out there.Go buy a harpoon. smile smiley smile smiley smile smiley smile smiley smile smiley be just like hunting and dude cailm down..


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Daily Subscription Msg 34 Posted: 08:08 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
Yep... we moved this thread. cool smiley Kind of got off the subject a bit, don't ya think?



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Daily Subscription Msg 35 Posted: 08:16 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
This must be how you think of us hunters, yeah?

     

And to think that you belong to an organization that actually gives this crap to kids.


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Daily Subscription Msg 36 Posted: 08:31 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
Well, as you can see, I changed the subject on the thread. Now you can rant all you want on topic smile smiley

I'm staying out of this for now... keep it civil, folks.



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Daily Subscription Msg 37 Posted: 08:52 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
Wow,
Who knew a simple question about who was going or how people did grouse hunting would turn into this? confused smiley


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Daily Subscription Msg 38 Posted: 06:33 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
Come on guys, One guy comes trolling through and he got a couple of bites. If you were fish, you'd be on a stringer.

Surfs up: I think moveon.org is back up.






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Daily Subscription Msg 39 Posted: 08:06 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
Well so far I have stayed out of this fray. But I must admit that there are a couple of interesting things going on that I wanted to comment about.

SurfsUp has been a registered poster on the board for several months now. I checked his past posts and he has had good input and discussions on fishing related topics. In fact, there were no clues given as to the anti hunting views until this thread. With that in mind I am quite confident that he is not a troll. He is a guy that loves to fish but has decided that hunting is an unethical pursuit.

Admittedly, I am also one of the guys that eat a lot of red meat. My wife says way to much red meat. But SurfsUp has raised some valid ideas and thoughts. It got me to really thinking...why do I hunt. Why do I enjoy the pursuit?

Some posters have made excellent and well thought out reasons for their hunting endeavors. Some of them were very well said. Some of our responses have also fallen into the "name calling-finger pointing" catagory as well.

I have a question, or challenge, if you prefer. Post why you really hunt. It may be tradition, family time spent with loved ones that creates a memory that you hold onto when your dad or grandfather passes away, the love of the time spent in the outdoors, the challenge of matching wits with a creature that has instincts far above your own, the food value, or one of a hundred other valid reasons. Post what moves you to become a hunter. If you have a brief example or story throw that in as well.

It concerns me that we may not be winning any folks to our understanding of hunting and game management philosophies because of our lack of communicating good and valid reasons for our pursuits. This is a place to express those good and valid reasons as well as sharpening our thoughts and ideas on how to pursuade others to see the true benefits and blessings of being part of a hunting tradition and community.

So if you would post some of those reasons and experiences I think we will all be encouraged and enriched. I know I look forward to reading some accounts of that nature.

Tight Lines and Straight Shots,

Jason "The Fisher" Pence
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Daily Subscription Msg 40 Posted: 08:25 AM 09/20/07 (CST)
Mr. Fisher,
I think you have a very valid point. To me hunting does mean spending time with my family, and also has some tradition included as well. For as long as I can remember (long before I could carry a gun), my father, grandfather, two brothers and some times my uncles would join us on the family farm for a family Pheasant hunt on Thanksgiving morning. We would meet early in the morning and walk the 160 Acres for a few hours and see if we couldn't get anything. We usually didn't, but that's not the point, the point is my dad was doing it with his dad long before me and my brothers were ever in the picture, and he wanted to continue the tradition with his own kids. And some day my brothers and I can continue it with our kids, (if we can still hunt there). Traditions are great, and sometimes hunting is a big part of them. Thanks for letting me share that story. grin smiley


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