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Daily Subscription Msg 21 Posted: 12:48 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
Mmmmm... I may have to put this in the controversial forum if this keeps up confused smiley



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Daily Subscription Msg 22 Posted: 12:56 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
"Encouragement of a proper hunting spirit, a proper love of sport, instead of being incompatible with a love of nature and wild things, offers the best guaranty for the preservation of wild things."
--Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. President,......
Nobel Peace Prize Winner, NRA Life Member

Often camouflaged from the public eye, the efforts of hunters as conservationists over the last century have restored America's game populations and enhanced the habitat of numerous wildlife species. No other group has come close to sportsmen in contributing the volunteer hours and funding necessary to make such an impact on wildlife conservation.

President Theodore Roosevelt, arguably America's first prominent conservationist, knew first hand of the advantages regulated hunting and conservation bring to wildlife. During the late 1800s, Roosevelt saw animal numbers deteriorate because of over-hunting driven by unregulated meat and fur markets. As President, Roosevelt began creating programs aimed at restoring game populations to healthy levels.

Hunting is an integral part of the fabric of our economy and cultural heritage and it is also an important wildlife management tool. Everyone benefits from the excise taxes that hunters voluntarily pay on guns, ammunition and outdoor equipment. Since 1937, hunters have contributed over 4 billion dollars through the Pittman-Robertson Act for the benefit of all wildlife species. These dollars have been used to purchase millions of acres of public lands.

Through over 10,000 clubs and organizations such as NRA, Ducks Unlimited, Safari Club International, National Wild Turkey Federation, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and Quail Unlimited, sportsmen contribute an additional $300 million each year to wildlife conservation activities.

Hunters and fishermen fund nearly 75% of the annual income for all 50 state conservation agencies. Through license fees and excise taxes on arms and gear, sportsmen contribute $200 million per year for wildlife conservation. (U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service)



Hunting Is A Vital Part Of American Culture

  • Hunting is an important and traditional recreational activity in which 20,000,000 Americans 16 years old and older participate.
  • Hunters have been and continue to be among the foremost supporters of sound wildlife management and conservation practices in the United States.
  • Hunters and organizations related to hunting provide direct assistance to wildlife managers and enforcement officers at all levels of government.
  • Hunting is an essential component of effective wildlife management, in that it tends to reduce conflicts between people and wildlife and provides incentives for the conservation of wildlife habitats and ecosystems on which wildlife depends.

    Through legislative programs designed to channel funds back into the conservation process, hunters have restored populations of deer, elk, antelope, turkeys and ducks to record numbers.

    Hunting contributes over $30 billion to the economy each year, supporting over 1,000,000 jobs. (National Shooting Sports Foundation)
  • Hunting provides food for people. For nearly a decade, hunters have provided thousands of pounds of game meat through donation programs such as Hunters Sharing the Harvest and Hunters for the Hungry.
  • Hunting helps manage animal populations resulting in less human/animal traffic accidents.

    Groups who claim they stand for the well being of animals and who are anti-hunting base their claims entirely on emotion and not biological wildlife science. While animal rights groups concentrate their efforts on making sure a few animals do not fall to the bullets of hunters, the species as a whole suffers. These groups routinely raise large amounts of money in the name of wildlife, but give nothing in return. Below is a list of some of the most virulent anti-hunting groups.

    American Humane Association
    American Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
    Animal Protection Institute
    Animal Welfare Institute
    Earthjustice Legal Defense Fund
    Friends of Animals
    Fund for Animals
    Humane Society of the United States
    In Defense of Animals
    International Fund for Animal Welfare
    Last Chance for Animals
    People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

    According to a May 2000 poll conducted by Roper and Starch for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, 85% of American adults agree that hunting has a legitimate place in modern society. 58% were in strong agreement while 25% moderately agreed.

    62% agree that hunters are the world's leading conservationists.
    4 out of 10 Americans (42%) describe themselves as either avid or occasional hunters--up 7 points from 1999.

    Need I go on?


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    Daily Subscription Msg 23 Posted: 01:15 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    That's just fine with me Dude, do whatever you would like! Thatnks for the support John, that was great!!!


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    Daily Subscription Msg 24 Posted: 02:10 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    You know, I never thought I would agree with jj on any level, but he brings up a good point, SurfsUp... why are you hanging around a website that is obviously pro fishing and hunting? Almost every user on this forum is here to promote what we in Minnesota think is our cultural heritage. Granted, we may be a bunch of hicks up here in the Northland, but we do cherish certain things and our way of life.

    Maybe I should join a couple of surfing forums out there on the left coast and start espousing the fact that surfing should be banned. Why? Striking hunks of corral reefs and breaking them off is harming reefs along the coast. Not only that, the parties and other gatherings are trashing the beaches and shorelines. Also the fact that their have been numerous complaints of surfers trespassing on private land to find that "perfect curl." And what about the killing you do when you slice through any schools of fish? And talk about your waste of money and resources and time. What exactly does buying a surfboard along with all the assundries, not to mention the waxing, etc., get you? Nothing but wreaking havoc in the ocean. Why do you think organizations like SurfRider have sprung up? Because surfers have gotten a bad name on how they treat the environment! Now they need to come up with these organizations just to undo what the surfers do. AND consider this... what about the environmental impacts of surfboard and wetsuit manufacture -- both of which are made from polluting materials and tend to be rather short-lived -- not to mention the considerable driving most surfers do to find the best waves?

    Ha HA!... It doesn't look like your sport is any cleaner then ours... at least we have the guts to call it like it is and not hide behind some convoluted theory that says, "If I do it... it's okay. If not, it's bad."

    So you see... the pendulum can swing both ways!

    And you don't even end up with a dinner in the end!


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    Daily Subscription Msg 25 Posted: 02:36 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    Great point Ted! Thanks for sticking up for us "Hicks" shocked smiley


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    Daily Subscription Msg 26 Posted: 02:55 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    I think he "surfsup" stated his position quite clearly he feels fishing does not hurt anything and I agree with him on that although
    I do disagree with his hunting opinions.>


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    Daily Subscription Msg 27 Posted: 04:11 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    Surfs Up-

    I can only assume that you are from somewhere on the west coast seeing as you are always grabbing your board and heading out to surf all the time. You are really giving a bad wrap to our west coast. Most people from other states already think that all people from the west coast enjoy tofu and are Left Wing Liberals without you saying that you dont agree with hunting or fishing. You have chosen to move to the Midwest. The culture is different here and you have to accept it or move back to the land of tofu and Left Wing Liberals! People hunt and fish! It has been happening for generations! Accept it and move on and know that you are just one west coast surfer boy in the in middle of a bunch men that own guns!



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    Daily Subscription Msg 28 Posted: 04:41 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    Gee...where do you even begin to address so many issues of false thoughts, accusations, mis and dis information?

    Lets start with this...BEFORE YOU POST A COMMENT AND SHOW YOU ARE TOTALLY UNINFORMED ON THE TOPIC PLEASE READ THE POSTS LEADING UP TO THE PLACE THE CONVERSATION IS AT!! Several of you have made wrong accusations and off the wall comments that were flatly contradicted in earlier posts. It just shows that lots of folks hear one thing..and spout their mouths off without having any idea of what context or truth is being discussed.

    EXAMPLES OF THIS.

    Caligrl states, " can only assume that you are from somewhere on the west coast". True I hail from California but live in Duluth now.
    Caligrl also states, "without you saying that you dont agree with hunting or fishing". if you had bothered to read the posts previous you would see I fish a great deal. There are substanative and ethical reasons I do not kill other creatures just for the fun of it. I detailed earlier why fishing does not appear to be in that realm...I won't repost those...but please read them before you speak about someones views without you actually having a clue as to what they are...although that seems to happen a good deal on here so far.
    Caligrl states, "you are just one west coast surfer boy in the in middle of a bunch men that own guns!". Again, if you would read the posts before opening your mouth you would have seen that I own rifles, shotguns, handguns, as well as 2 bows. I target and sport shoot (ie trap, skeet, etc.) a great deal and enjoy it immensely... but again, if folks would bother to open their minds and read before opening their mouths these errors wouldn't happen now, would they. Perhaps I am another man owning guns among many..one you don't expect to own one because of your narrowness of mind evidently.

    Ted also states, "why are you hanging around a website that is obviously pro fishing and hunting?". Again, if narrow minded folks would read posts before opening your mouths they would see that I AM an avid fishermen.....but your minds are not open in this or any way it seems.

    Must leave it at this for a moment...more later.
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    Daily Subscription Msg 29 Posted: 05:23 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    Ted, Ted, Ted...how did you ever come to such an unrealistic rant at me? Much of it makes no sense at all. For example..

    You said, "Granted, we may be a bunch of hicks up here in the Northland,". Well you said it .. not me.

    and , " Striking hunks of corral reefs and breaking them off is harming reefs along the coast." WHAT? I have never seen a coral reef on the coast. And of any reefs I have seen if they were hit I would be the one getting hurt... they are like diving onto solid rock! I break if I hit a reef..not the reef. You can't be serious.

    and ,"Not only that, the parties and other gatherings are trashing the beaches and shorelines.". Well when I leave a beach all I leave are my footprints in the sand. Those will wash or weather away. If I see any trash I pick it up and remove it. I leave it better than I found it. I have no idea what folks you are talking about. Certainly no one I surf with. Geesh man, I belong to the Sierra Club..I AM NOT trashing anything.

    and, " their have been numerous complaints of surfers trespassing on private land ." WOW..last time I checked the ocean was a free zone for swimming, fishing, sailing, and surfing. I was unaware folks had claimed it as their own and were complaining about folks on the water. However, I am quite confident there will be a great many trespassing hunters afield this coming year..attempting to kill on someone elses land...won't there.

    and, " what about the killing you do when you slice through any schools of fish?" Are you off your nut man? A board rides on top of the water. In all my surfing I have NEVER gone through a school of fish. And even if I ever did there is no way it could harm them...even though I can not see how it is even in the realm of possibility to hit a school of speedy fish...boards don't really go all that fast man. Hitting fish??? That is absolute nonsense...you aren't under the impression that boards have knives on them are you?

    and, "What exactly does buying a surfboard along with all the assundries, not to mention the waxing, etc., get you?". I would have to disagree with that Ted. I buy a board that may last me for years..or a lifetime if I take care of it. I also get a great workout everytime I am on the water. It is a great exercise program. I get a healthier body, longer life and an improvement to that life quality as well. All that without killing anything.

    and ,"what about the environmental impacts of surfboard and wetsuit manufacture". What are you talking about man. They are made of the same stuff your boat hull is, unless its aluminum. Canoes, Kayaks, all kinds of water transport are identical. That is totally off the wall.

    and, "not to mention the considerable driving most surfers do to find the best waves?". I spend far less gas getting to good waves than I do to get to good fishing. I admit I drive a very fuel efficient vehicle because of my commitment to clean air. We must get from point a to point b at times.. I just try to do it in as carbonly responsible a way as I have the ability to do. What do you drive... a 4 wheel land rover? really, since YOU raised the issue what type of vehicle are you driving?

    and, "Ha HA!... It doesn't look like your sport is any cleaner then ours... at least we have the guts to call it like it is and not hide behind some convoluted theory that says, "If I do it... it's okay. If not, it's bad." Ted ....what in the world does that mean? I certainly DO believe surfing is cleaner..after all, its no different than a piece of driftwood coming to shore..but how was that ever part of the discussion? No one ever mentioned it but you. The topic we were discussing was the need/or lack of need/ to kill animals... this is so out of left field it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.

    and, "So you see... the pendulum can swing both ways!" I assume you mean that the knife cuts both ways...but whatever. There is no comparison to me riding along silently on a wave and then walking home and you gunning down a deer that you have no real need for...except in your ego.

    Ted..I am sure you are genuine and sincere in your heart here..but this is such a rant you have posted with points that make no sense and have no merit that it is hard to discuss. Reread what you wrote and think about it. Your post has virtually nothing to do with addressing why you kill animals that you have no real need for.
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    Daily Subscription Msg 30 Posted: 05:33 PM 09/19/07 (CST)
    John,

    Nice article...I applaud the fact that you are at least a guy who is trying to use figures/facts as opposed to this junior high name calling that most in the hunting community seem to have as their only response.

    I read the entirety of the article. You have a couple of very glaring errors in it however. But rather than me point them out I think I will let the other posters discount what you have in your article.

    If you will read the thread entitled, Survey: Fewer people lured by fishing, hunting , that was started by Big Bite, you will find three articles within that thread alone that disagree with your article. It appears that the hunting community is willing to say anything and report any statistics.. even when they contradict each other, to maintain the right to kill animals when no actual reason or need exists for it.

    Your effort is appreciated John...it just can''t be true with your own forums and articles saying the exact opposit.

    John, You do bring an important idea out though that I think we would agree upon. The inflow of dollars from taxes levied on outdoor gear (guns, shells, etc.) has been a major componet in wildlife land retention and wildlife species reintroduction. I am in agreement that those dollars are critical...I just think it is not being handled fairly. Please allow me to explain...

    Those are tax dollars from sporting goods that largely fund these endeavors. Habitat destuction means the need to purchase lands to keep habitat secure.. that means lots of cash. Reintroduction and expansion of species ranges means lots of cash as well. My thought is this...if hunting/trapping were banned then we have a massive shortfall of tax dollars as this is largely funded by the relatively small number of participants. I feel the same amount of revenue should be brought in through the general tax system. In effect everyones personal income taxes would rise some to make the monies available..but those of you who hunt would actually see a reduction to your total taxes paid per year as there are no taxes n the outdoor gear as the needs were now spread out to all citizens. This would encourage many more folks to take an interest in preserving and learning about the things they are funding. Nature observation, birding, hiking, mountain biking, etc. would see a boom. The taxe dollars should actually increase allowing for the retention of larger habitat chunks for nature reserves that all folks could access and enjoy. It is a win/win... unless you feel the compulsion to kill. I agree with the monetary need...there is just a much better way to do it... if folks will release the need in their hearts to kill in order to prove something to themselves or others.
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