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Odin
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Daily Subscription Msg 11 Posted: 11:34 PM 03/25/10 (CST)
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Daily Subscription Msg 12 Posted: 08:13 AM 03/26/10 (CST)
Sorry, I didn't want this to turn into a health care debate. It's just that sheesh... I am getting old and tired and I see things that are really making me sad about our country. People, if you step back and take a very hard look at what is happening, it is really a frightening proposition. This all boils down to our constitution and what it really means and why it was written. I read once that "...the wisdom of any decision that is translated into governmental action depends on the public's access to all the pertinent facts and opinions." And now we have legislators that are ramroding bills through congress and making the rules as an afterthought... huh?!?!? Under the Constitution, the "we the people" are supposed to be the ultimate authority. The preamble to the Constitution declares, "We, the People of the United States do ordain and establish this Constitution..." This empowerment of the people depends upon our right to know what the government is doing in our name. If the public cannot discover the truth because the government suppresses opinion or conceals relevant facts, then we lose control of our democracy and take a step toward dictatorship. The rights of all of us are diminished.

I remember when I was younger, to have a governement job meant that you didn't get paid as much as people working in the public sector, but the trade-off was job security and a great pension. The reason for this was that it was the free market that dictated our economy and our wealth, not the government. Now it has flip flopped. I read an article that stated that government workers made an average of 22% more then people working in like jobs in the public sector. The problem with this is that the government produces nothing. It gets all of its resources from the producers. Now what is happening is that the number of producers grows less while the government grows more. Sure... we can print more money, but at some point, this model is going to break. We are moving slowly towards socialism, our expanding and intrusive government is attracting more and more citizens and illegal aliens to all the "free" stuff we give them. But the stuff is not "free." The producers pay for it. Yet the number of people feeding off the federal government grows. And while they grow, the feds are stripping away our freedoms with increased governmental rules and regulations. Our so-called elected leaders keep handing out the "free" stuff on a regular basis in the form of federal grants, subsidies, affirmative action, supplemental income, rebates, stimulus packages, tax credits, and thousands of special programs designed to help particular groups of people who now see themselves as victims. Eventually, the recipients of these never ending and expanding social programs will come to rely on the federal government for their very existence.

What I am trying to say in this post is that to look at the microcosm of any one little thing like a bill or an act or a law or a tax, it seems to be of little difference. But to look at where we are headed as a whole, it gets down-right scarey. Sure, this tax will only cost you .5 cents per week, or that tax will only cost you .8 cents per month, that's not too much, right? But when you add up the thousands of taxes, it can break a family of producers. And when those producers are gone, well... we are not sure what is going to happen then. I guess we are going to have to find out...






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Daily Subscription Msg 13 Posted: 10:47 AM 03/26/10 (CST)
I read once that "...the wisdom of any decision that is translated into governmental action depends on the public's access to all the pertinent facts and opinions."

You think the govt's decision to go ahead with the Manhattan Project was unwise?
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Daily Subscription Msg 14 Posted: 05:08 PM 03/26/10 (CST)
If this is going to be a health care debate then what I have to offer is this.

I am 26 years old and have worked hard since I was 18 to have the few things I do. I learned how to install electronics into vehicles and now have a job where they pay me a decent wage to istall GPS into rental cars. Also I have good blue cross coverage and dental as part of the deal.

Every day I wake up at 5:05 am, take a shower, put my uniform on and drive 20 miles before I am even able to collect pay. I work hard for 4 hours eat a lunch that I made and then work for 4 more hours. Then I drive 20 more miles before miller time.

DO YOU REALLY THINK I WANT TO DO THIS 5 DAYS A WEEK. NO I WOULD MUCH RATHER FISH ALL DAY LONG.

The other side of the story is many people I personally know that would rather not do this. Sit at home and collect unemployment and welfare and WIC and the all important Minnesota Care Health Insurance. Everytime you give them more they will do less, Guaranteed!

We live in a country where if you work hard and do a good job you can make a good life for yourself. We have plenty of social progams for those who would like to use them already.

I'm not saying we shouldn't take care of those who need it but I know what we shouldn't do is create even more wastful federal programs for people to leach off because they don't want to be a productive member of society.

Boo Obama, just wait for cap and trade and amnesty. Then maybe I'll get on the federal tit with the rest of em. I sure ain't gonna work for my money so you can have it.












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Daily Subscription Msg 15 Posted: 07:21 PM 03/27/10 (CST)
UNITED WE FISH...UNITED WE WILL VOTE!!!!!


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Daily Subscription Msg 16 Posted: 09:38 AM 03/28/10 (CST)
very well said neal i feel the same way i own a company and pay out of this world rates to cover my guys but others get it for free i dont my helping others!when the h1n1 shot came out it was only avabile for kids without health care NOT FAIR i pay i feel my kids should be first in line as well as others kids who parents work hard and pay TAXES!! obama is the worst thing that ever happened to the USA and its only going to get worse but i guess we all just have to deal with it till he's out of there then someone new can try to fix all his mistakes ooo smiley


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Daily Subscription Msg 17 Posted: 08:19 PM 03/28/10 (CST)
The other side of the story is many people I personally know that would rather not do this. Sit at home and collect unemployment and welfare and WIC and the all important Minnesota Care Health Insurance. Everytime you give them more they will do less, Guaranteed!

These people you personally know, do you think they have real medical problems or do they just make medical appointments because they enjoy waiting in doctors' offices and being poked and prodded at taxpayer expense?

Until that happy day when everyone can pay for their own and their children's medical expenses, should we continue to pay their medical expenses or would you rather they suffer until they either get better or die?
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Daily Subscription Msg 18 Posted: 08:52 PM 03/28/10 (CST)
I love it when I say something good enough to be quoeted in someone elses post.

First of all odin I had a great day of carp fishing and then had some venison on the grill that was as good as it could get. Tastes really good with a little bit of butter in case no one has tried it. So no matter what Minnesota rocks smile smiley

To address your point, yeah they have legitimate medical problems. Like when they want to ride wheelies on their three wheelers because they know they can go in and get a leg brace. Or maybe when they want to shoot out that second illegitmate child because they can get another couple hundred dollars a month out of the state. I'm not even talking fraud here like the 60 billion estimated in medicare last year alone.

I take my freinds for who they are but I don't always look fondly upon their actions. This will be the last time I respond to your hate mail but I was hoping maybe you could spin my logic as can be told from your posting history.

I really don't like to get childish like this. Everybody stay strong catch the biggest one ever and have a wonderful night.
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Daily Subscription Msg 19 Posted: 10:21 PM 03/28/10 (CST)
If that's what you call logic, it needs untorturing. Whether or not the poor need healthcare because of irresponsible choices by themselves or their parents, the indisputable fact is they need healthcare. You either want the greater society to provide it or you don't.

The people who support the recently-enacted legislation want the greater society to help provide that healthcare to people who are responsible or irresponsible, with pre-existing conditions or without, producers or non-producers. If you don't want the greater society to help provide that healthcare, which inevitably means some people who could've been helped will instead suffer and/or die, you shouldn't feel the need to hide behind mealy-mouthed rhetoric. Just say so.

Or not. But if you consider my previous post to be "hate mail," i envy you your sheltered existence. Perhaps you'd be more willing to support HCR if you were less sheltered.



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Daily Subscription Msg 20 Posted: 07:22 AM 03/29/10 (CST)
Odin- I would like to provide a little perspective. I currently know people on MN CARE who pay $4 per month for coverage.

Even without coverage every person citizen or not citizen is given healthcare and greater society already covers that regardless of if we want to or not.

So, you can re-word your argument so it sounds as though you were considering the facts all along now.

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