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PierBridge
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Daily Subscription Msg 11 Posted: 03:10 PM 02/15/08 (CST)
"It would be on the ballot in November."


My bad I didn't mean when do we get to vote on it I meant when was the legislator voting finalized you posted the House voting results I wanted to know if the Senate had passed it also so we know exactly what is going to be in the final bill we will be voting on in the fall.

It did pass both branches..... 85-46 in the House and by 46-17 in the Senate.

I'm definitely OK with the 80-20 break down with 20 percent going to the Arts I'm not a big Arts guy but like you stated NoFish a lot of those people aren't into our wants and needs!

Thanks again NoFish!






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Daily Subscription Msg 12 Posted: 03:47 PM 02/15/08 (CST)
The 20% going to that arts is actually going to arts and cultural heritage projects.

I assume that would include history of Minnesota type stuff.

It will be interesting to see how the vote turns out. Hopefully the anit art outdoors people will look at the numbers of how much money the arts are getting. The outdoors man is getting the good end of the deal for sure.

I would think that this has a good chance at passing a general vote. Hunters and outdoors men and women tend to be on the more conservative side and would typically vote down tax increases. Perhaps now that the tax directly benefits them they will vote yes.


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Daily Subscription Msg 13 Posted: 05:01 PM 02/15/08 (CST)
Nofishfisherman,
When I was in highschool 5 years ago. I was told that our budget for paper ran out. I had to buy my own printing paper so that I could get a grade on my English project..

Meanwhile, the choir and band classes were going strong. Not to mention ceramics, drawing, painting, photography, video production and a few others that I don't recall. Just as a side note, I was forced to take that ceramics class and photography to graduate (I didn't have to pay for clay or photo paper)..

So if it is true that the schools are teaching less arts.. I say Thank god.. I can't imagine what school would have been like if we focused our attention and funding on math, English and science.

When I made these points to the administration they were upset with me and still made me buy the paper. I was also told at that time that I should talk to my parents and others about voting "yes" for the school referendums.

This was literally a couple months after they spent 60 thousand dollars on building a walkway roof that extended half way between the two school buildings. The roof was 20 ft up in the air with a 45 degree eve and it didn't stop one bit of rain from hitting the students.

Government is exactly like my school was. They refuse to budget the money and make thing efficient. If they make bad choices with our money they simply ask for more and if they don't get what they ask for... Well, you get funding bills like this.

I just think we as Minnesotans have to demand that government gives it to us straight. Not by introducing bills that combine funding for completely separate things....

Sorry, I'm ranting.. And it probably makes no sense to anyone. I just don't think this is an honest bill.




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Daily Subscription Msg 14 Posted: 05:34 PM 02/15/08 (CST)
Lets also keep in perspective that we would be asking some families who have very little money to help pay for this bill. They could probably use the money on much better and much more essential things..... like food and clothes and maybe even a small fund for college..




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Daily Subscription Msg 15 Posted: 10:19 AM 02/18/08 (CST)
In all the art classes I took in high school and college I paid special fees at the start of the semester to cover the supplies. It was usually $25-$50 depending on the class.

Now days with the new basic standards requirments that need to be meet in every class most art classes have lost the ability to actually do art.

While I was observing art classes rooms as part of my college course work I was a little dissapointed to see that all of the kids were writing reports and doing presentations rather then drawing. I spoke with the teacher and she said that becuase of the requirments now they have to incorporate reading and writing into everything which leave very little time for drawing and painting.

I know that some people see no value in art and cultural things and that is fine. You have made the decision that you don't like that sort of thing. But I think that kids should have the chance to experience it so that they can decide for themselves if they do or don't like it.

I do also understand the issue of some low income familes being able to better spend that money else where. But then the same could be said for almost any tax. I does frustrate me that some much of the tax money that is collected gets wasted. I fully support cleaning up the waste but that is a seperate issue and one that frankly won't go away any time soon.

Generally politicians and the public spend most of their time arguing about all of the special projects that get funded like the dedicated funding bill. Bills like this use up about 4-5% of our taxes, atleast on a federal level. Over 90% of the taxes collected get sent to Well Fare and Medicare which we all know is broken beyond repair. If we were all being smart about this we would fight to fix the problems that eat 95% of our taxes, and not debate about the small projects that only get 5% of our taxes. I think that will save the low income familes alot more money then any of these smaller projects would.


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Daily Subscription Msg 16 Posted: 01:13 PM 02/18/08 (CST)
We will have to agree to disagree...

Just so you know; I don't think arts are pointless and I think voting no is the only way to call accountability to these people.



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Daily Subscription Msg 17 Posted: 01:24 PM 02/18/08 (CST)
Voting NO will not be a call for spending reform. It simply means that the outdoors will not get the funding it needs.

I am all for spending reform, if they can fund the outdoors without an increase in sales tax then I would be first in line to support it but this is as good as its going to get.

A YES vote won't curb spending but it will atleast put the money somewhere that I believe it should be.

What are other peoples thoughts? Logan brings some good points, I am sure others have some as well. Pro or Con the more that gets brought up the more we will learn.


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Daily Subscription Msg 18 Posted: 03:31 PM 02/18/08 (CST)
In my opinion dedicating funds for natural resource conservation is long over due. As I understand it for political reasons arts, parks and trails and clean waters (this would get sewage out of our lakes and rivers) where added. Most of us live in Minnesota because of our great outdoors yet we spend little to protect it. A study by Izack Walton League from a few years ago showed Minnesota was about 24th in the nation on the amount of General Fund dollars spent on conservation. We were about 4th per capita in fishing license sales at that time. So our tax dollars spending doesn't seem to reflect our interests. The dedicated fund would provide a large pool of money that could be used for long term natural resource programs. That is something we a lacking right now as our fishing license dollars aren't enough to provide that. Besides fishing license funds are reduced each year by inflation. My one concern about this is how will the funds be administered. Will conservation minded anglers be guaranteed a long term say in how the funds are spent? That is yet to be determined and I will reserve my decision for my vote on the Constitutional ammendment until that is answered. Dave O.
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Daily Subscription Msg 19 Posted: 03:48 PM 02/18/08 (CST)
Thanks for posting DAO, welcome to the site.

You bring up a good point about who gets to decide where the money gets spent.

There tend to be 2 different camps when talking about convervation. Must hunters and anglers support sustainable use while other more radical groups will advocate zero use.


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Daily Subscription Msg 20 Posted: 10:33 AM 02/20/08 (CST)
Generaly, in my experience, anglers are not interested in the political or financial side of fishing. We just want to fish. Hunters are very interested in the political and financial side of hunting. Hunters do a better job of making sure they are represented at the capitol and the DNR. Us anglers could learn a lot from them. The Dedicated Funding discussion would be a good opportunity for anglers to have a say. Over 1.5 million people buy a fishing license in Minnesota. That is a lot of voters. This would be a good time for all of us to let our legislators know that any Dedicated Funds for Conservation should be managed with fishing in mind. Dave O.
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