Gun Control? - Page 2

Fishing Reports Banner

Posts 11 through 20 for Gun Control?

     

New? - Register Here!

No Obligations - Click Here for more information. Login

Main Forum Page     |     Fishing Blogs     |     Find a Fishing Partner     |     My Fishing Pals Home     |     To The Top - Minnesota Fishing Forum - Controversies
You Are Currently Viewing - Minnesota Fishing Forum - Controversies  
Gun Control? - - - 60 messages. Showing 11 through 20. Go to page: 1  2   3  4  5  6 
nofishfisherman
Moderator
Joined 06/30/2005
Posts:2438

nofishfisherman's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 11 Posted: 01:34 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
If a bad guy comes up and points a gun in your face and asks for your your fishing pole what would you do?

If you reach for your gun you'll be dead before you have a chance to realize how stupid of a decision you just made.

He already has his gun pulled, you don't... who has the upper hand here? Giving him the fishing pole is the better course of action, is your life worth a $100 fishing pole?


Scumfrog
Senior Member
Joined 07/13/2004
Posts:1087

Scumfrog's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 12 Posted: 01:45 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
Gun control is using both hands. How many guns do I need, 1 for every window and 2 for the doors. wink smiley

I own 3 shotguns and I don't really need a hand gun. If some one is stupid enough to try and come into my house, I have 3 big dogs they would have to deal with while I got the gun. If they are still in the house they will be shot. I have every right to shot you if you broke into my home and were going to hurt/kill me. I know I'll catch h-ll for saying that, but I have a family and no one is going to hurt them so they can buy drugs off the stuff they stole out of my house. mad smiley


Bobber Down
Moderator
Joined 10/03/2005
Posts:3021

Bobber Down's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 13 Posted: 01:49 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
No Fish,
How about for going out and shooting targets for fun? That sounds like fun to me, please don't take away my Fun!


MyFishingPals

Gotta Run

nofishfisherman
Moderator
Joined 06/30/2005
Posts:2438

nofishfisherman's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 14 Posted: 01:55 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
If we are talking hypothetical here why not allow gun ranges to rent out guns for target practice. If you just like the fun of shooting a gun then it shouldn't matter that its a rental from a range or if its our own.

Then you can still have your fun.

It will be alot easier to control guns at one point like a range then it is to control them in every home in america.


Bobber Down
Moderator
Joined 10/03/2005
Posts:3021

Bobber Down's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 15 Posted: 02:01 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
They do, Have you ever heard of Bills Gun Range. Pick out any gun you want and you can rent it for $5.00-$10.00 and take it to the range! You just have to buy the ammo. I'll go for that, but what if I want to shoot targets in my back yard? And yes it's legal to discharge a firearm there!


MyFishingPals

Gotta Run

nofishfisherman
Moderator
Joined 06/30/2005
Posts:2438

nofishfisherman's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 16 Posted: 02:07 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
I would trade your right to shoot targets in your backyard for fewer gun deaths every year.




Bobber Down
Moderator
Joined 10/03/2005
Posts:3021

Bobber Down's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 17 Posted: 02:08 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
And I would not! Alright, I better get back to work now.


MyFishingPals

Gotta Run

gunflint
Junior Member
Joined 03/28/2007
Posts:60

gunflint's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 18 Posted: 02:12 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
Michelle Milkan expresses my thoughts on the issue better than I do.

There's no polite way or time to say it: American colleges and universities have become coddle industries. Big Nanny administrators oversee speech codes, segregated dorms, politically correct academic departments and designated "safe spaces" to protect students selectively from hurtful (conservative) opinions -- while allowing mob rule for approved leftist positions (textbook case: Columbia University's anti-Minuteman Project protesters).

Instead of teaching students to defend their beliefs, American educators shield them from vigorous intellectual debate. Instead of encouraging autonomy, our higher institutions of learning stoke passivity and conflict-avoidance.


Virginia Tech alumni Jennifer Wilsie, right, and her husband Ross, left, embrace during a prayer service in Blacksburg, Va., Monday, April 16, 2007. A gunman opened fire in a Virginia Tech dorm and then, two hours later, shot up a classroom building across campus Monday, killing 32 people in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history. (AP Photo/Chuck Burton)

And as the erosion of intellectual self-defense goes, so goes the erosion of physical self-defense.

Yesterday morning, as news was breaking about the carnage at Virginia Tech, a reader e-mailed me a news story from last January. State legislators in Virginia had attempted to pass a bill that would have eased handgun restrictions on college campuses. Opposed by outspoken, anti-gun activists and Virginia Tech administrators, that bill failed.

Is it too early to ask: "What if?" What if that bill had passed? What if just one student in one of those classrooms had been in lawful possession of a concealed weapon for the purpose of self-defense?

If it wasn't too early for Keystone Katie Couric to be jumping all over campus security yesterday for what they woulda/coulda/shoulda done in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, and if it isn't too early for The New York Times editorial board to be publishing its knee-jerk call for more gun control, it darned well isn't too early for me to raise questions about how the unrepentant anti-gun lobbying of college officials may have put students at risk.

The back story: Virginia Tech had punished a student for bringing a handgun to class last spring -- despite the fact that the student had a valid concealed handgun permit. The bill would have barred public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit . . . from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun." After the proposal died in subcommittee, the school's governing board reiterated its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus buildings.

Late last summer, a shooting near campus prompted students to clamor again for loosening campus rules against armed self-defense. Virginia Tech officials turned up their noses. In response to student Bradford Wiles's campus newspaper op-ed piece in support of concealed carry on campus, Virginia Tech Associate Vice President Larry Hincker scoffed:

"[I]t is absolutely mind-boggling to see the opinions of Bradford Wiles. . . . The editors of this page must have printed this commentary if for no other reason than malicious compliance. Surely, they scratched their heads saying, 'I can't believe he really wants to say that.' Wiles tells us that he didn't feel safe with the hundreds of highly trained officers armed with high powered rifles encircling the building and protecting him. He even implies that he needed his sidearm to protect himself . . ."

The nerve!

Hincker continued: "The writer would have us believe that a university campus, with tens of thousands of young people, is safer with everyone packing heat. Imagine the continual fear of students in that scenario. We've seen that fear here, and we don't want to see it again. . . . Guns don't belong in classrooms. They never will. Virginia Tech has a very sound policy preventing same."

Who's scratching his head now, Mr. Hincker?

Some high-handed commentators insist it's premature or unseemly to examine the impact of school rules discouraging students from carrying arms on campus. Pundit Andrew Sullivan complained that it was "creepy" to highlight reader e-mails calling attention to Virginia Tech's restrictions on student self-defense -- even as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence rushed to capitalize on the massacre to sign up new members and gather e-mail addresses for Million Mom March chapters. "We are outraged by the increase in gun violence in America, especially the recent shooting at Virginia Tech," reads the online petition. "Add your name to the growing list of people who are saying: 'Enough Is Enough!'"

Enough is enough, indeed. Enough of intellectual disarmament. Enough of physical disarmament. You want a safer campus? It begins with renewing a culture of self-defense -- mind, spirit and body. It begins with two words: Fight back

Here's another one from a pro-gun blogger named Lawdog.

Monday, April 16, 2007
Virginia Tech Shooting

Oh, Christ, here we go again.

Some maladjusted little bugsnipe gets his mental panties into a bunch and goes flat boiling nutters with a gun in one of the few places where he knows someone isn't going to put him down like a rabid dog during his first magazine.

And -- as usual -- the Mainstream Media is bleating about needing more Gun Control.

Gun Control is a failure. You simply can not expect those who would do murder -- those who would violate the highest law -- you can not expect them to obey a lesser law.

And you can not turn a failure into a success by doubling the failure.

None-the-less, I will be greatly surprised if the Mainstream Media and the political lapdogs don't try to use this tragedy to further their gun control agenda.

You want to be really disgusted? I mean, the down deep nausea kind of disgusted?

The State Government of Virginia had a bill before it which would have allowed college students to exercise their Second Amendment rights on campus earlier this year.

The bill didn't even make it out of committee.

When the bill died, the spokesman for Virginia Tech -- where some college kids really needed to be able to shoot back this morning -- Virgina Tech spokescritter Larry Hincker stated:

"I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

He was happy to hear of the defeat of the bill which would have allowed college kids to carry weapons for self-defence on his college campus.

Happy now, you sodding dacoit? Go tell the dead that they're really safe because the Virginia State Government refuses to allow them to carry for self-defence on campus, you ate-up catamite with delusions of adequacy.

And despite all of that -- despite the senseless death and the smug arrogance that allowed the death to happen -- there is news that sickens me to the very core.

There are reports -- granted unconfirmed at this time -- that several students were forced to line up, kneeling, and executed from behind.

I pray to the old gods -- the gods of war and blood and thunder -- that this is not the case.

I pray that some students went down fighting.

Because as bad as this is -- and this is a horror -- as bad as this is, if fifty some-odd people were injured and killed by one person whilst on their knees begging like so many Eloi, like a herd of sheep -- if no one stood up and fought back, then this is becomes an example of evil.

Not the evil that allows a man to kill other men -- although that is here in abundance. No, I am speaking of the putrescent evil which convinces good men not to fight back; the sordid filth of the soul which allows one bad man to prevail against fifty -- or 25,000 -- good men because good men have been systematically denied the mindset required to meet with, engage and defeat evil -- even if all you have is fingernails and rage.

One man. On a campus of 25,000 people. 25,000 people surrounded by fire extinguishers, book bags, pencils, pens, drafting compasses, chairs, broom handles, power strips, ceramics, chains and everything heavy and/or sharp.

One man managed to gun down fifty people -- or more -- without being stabbed and bludgeoned to death where he stood by the other 24,950 people.

I weep for the dead. I weep for the families who lost their treasured children today.

I weep even more for a land which not only denies the tools required for self-defence, but also denies the very mindset required for self-defence.

LawDog













The secret to fishing is to catch the biggest fish and to catch it early.
CrappieKeith
Senior Member
Joined 03/27/2006
Posts:3862

CrappieKeith's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 19 Posted: 02:16 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
I like you NF.Not at 1st ,but then you grew on me.
Your question or point of view is valid.

I think your viewpoint comes from your backround ?

I'm a meateater,a hunter.I play an active role that in my mind humans should play as the ultimate predator.
That's why we have eyes in front not on the side of our heads.
I've trapped for the furs.I've snared,lassoed,shot arrows & bullets at just about everything from varmints to big game.
When we were kids , we made spears going after chipmunks that were so abundant & getting into the house raising havoc.We grew up predators.
We speared fish too.
With 7 kids the extra money from trapping helped our family make it through the winters with warm clothes purchased from the revenue the pelts brought us.
I remember the 22 cal. pistol I used to put down certain animals that had not yet passed.Although we tried to make most set drown sets or a killing set ,you never knew.
I remember the 44 mag revolver that my dad used to put down a bear breaking into our barn where our cattle & hogs were.
I remember all of the fun we had plinking cans in the sand pit by our house with the 38's& 357's & 44mag & of coarse our cute little 22.

In all those years I never shot anyone ,nor did any of my sisters or brother.
My Dad taught us to respect others. In my opinion herein lies the real problem.
When I went to high school back in the 70's and us boys had a quarrel it was with fisty cuffs.
The bad boys might have had a knife. Now they bring guns to school.
What has changed in our society that a bloody nose from a punch had to get to a bullet in the head?

This is the real topic of discussion.



http://www.bucketrack.com/THEJig.html
IF IT'S WET...IT'S CATCH'N FISH
nofishfisherman
Moderator
Joined 06/30/2005
Posts:2438

nofishfisherman's blogs, pictures and recent posts
Daily Subscription Msg 20 Posted: 02:26 PM 04/18/07 (CST)
I'm glad someone still likes me, I knew I would be the bad guy when I started this post.

I agree the change in our society is the real debate.

Has our society changed enough to were old laws are no longer sufficent. Back in the day guns played a different role. But times have changed, now hand guns specifically are generally used only for bad.


Gun Control? - - - 60 messages. Showing 11 through 20. Go to page: 1  2   3  4  5  6 
You Are Currently Viewing - Minnesota Fishing Forum - Controversies  

New? - Register Here

No Obligations - Click Here for more information. Login

Main Forum Page     |     Top of This Forum     |     My Fishing Pals Home
Members Browsing
the Forums:
    hArte     kraeflanum22     Mark Martin     SUAF     yerneedsry    
Users Online:5
Guests Online:45
Total Online: 50


Terms and Conditions