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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 12:37 PM 08/01/11 (CST)
Did anyone see the news reports on this guy. He caught 2649 fish, mostly bluegills, in 24hrs. Yep 2649, 110 per hour, 1.8 per minute, he baited his own hook, waxworms, unhooked them all by himself, sitting on a dock in front of Maynards restaurant. Now I love fishing, but really? I don't think that's the record I'm looking for. 4-6" gills for hours and hours. I know it was a fundraiser and all, but I'm not sure how to feel about this. What's next 1000 ducks, 100 deer, how many walleyes one can remove from a gill net in 24hrs. I know they were c&r, but is this good for fishing and the outdoors? Using our natural resources for something like this... in my opinion this is bad. Now someone will have to break 3000, and what if a lot of people start thinking this is the new fad, where does it end? Our natural resourses are here for everyone to enjoy, not for someone to get their name is the Guinness Book of Records. What are your thoughts?
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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 07:14 AM 08/03/11 (CST)
This reminds me of a guy I saw fishing out at Bald Eagle. He had 2 young kids with him. I saw them catch a couple of hundred little crappies, about 6 inches long. They kept their limit of those. and just sat in the same place and continued to fish for them.



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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 08:11 AM 08/03/11 (CST)
Domino Dave...wow man....like chill out....go to decaf.

The man brought attention to the sport of fishing, raised money for charity, created media coverage and income for the local businesses, and practiced c & r. I fail to see the down side.

At which number did it become "wrong" in your eyes?

If it were you and the fish were 10 - 12 pound walleye that you were catching cast after cast when would you walk off ..... would you REALLY? What if no one was there to see you... would you walk off from catching 40-42 inch northern on every cast or would you keep on catching and releasing?

The difference in your duck, deer, walleye in a net examples is that those fish/creatures would be dead dude! You can't c & r a walleye in a gill net. I won't even get into destroying the case of the barbaric practice of hunting on this thread. There is no connection between your examples and this guy catching the sunnies off the dock- IMHO.

It might seem that you are suffering from a case of the green eyed monster. It sounds like you may have some envy issues with this guy. Maybe it is the number of fish he caught... maybe the publicity.. or maybe something else. However, the guy caught these fish in a legal manner that raised money for a good cause... why is that a problem to you? Look inside yourself and I believe you will find that you just simply wish it was you instead of him. Let's call it "perch envy". IMHO.

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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 11:11 AM 08/03/11 (CST)
Just finished my 2nd pot, so I'm ready now. Legal, yes I'm sure he followed all the rules. Morally, is where I have the problem. We all know that C&R has a mortality rate, some species are higher than others, but even if the rate for this was extremely low, say only 5%. This guy still killed 132 fish to get his name in a book. That's my problem.

The fundraising in my opinion is just a gimmick to deflect these issues from coming up. I never heard once what the funds were going for, or to who, or how much they were hoping to raise, or how we could help. All he talked about was the record! There are a lot better ways to raise money than wasting resources.

Envy? Not a chance...Anyone could do what this guy was doing, that's the problem, everyone might start thinking they should too. 10-12lbs on every cast, yeh right!!! I'm a huge outdoors fan, and protecting our resources should be something that all of us are concerned about. My problem is this guy isn't concerned about our resources, it was all about his record. Not fundraising, not how many fish he killed, grandstanding for the media, and a name in a book were his priorities.

And to answer your question if I would walk away from a frenzy, the answer is yes, I have done it many times, big eyes on the flats die too easily, lake trout on every cast in 50ft of water die too easily, and frankly it only takes 2 or 3 really big northerns to wear you out anyway, so what's the point? I've never been a greedy man, and I won't be on the water either! I want my kids to enjoy what I love so much. So I leave them there and hope this guy never finds them in the future, so I can teach my grandkids how to do it as well. And frankly, I didn't think that I got all that worked up!

Dark roast anyone?
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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 12:25 PM 08/03/11 (CST)
I get what you are saying DD but I think you may be putting too much stock into it.

I saw the guy on the news catching the fish. He was using a small jig and waxies and appeared to be pretty gentle with the fish. Since speed was his game I seriously doubt any fish were hooked deeper than the lip. I'd guess mortality was well below 1% of the fish. A lip hooked sunny that is released within seconds just isn't in much danger.

Considering the guy sat in the same spot on a dock for 24 yours I'd also bet he caught some of the same fish 2, 3 or even 10 times throughout the day.

This stunt has been done before, this guy set a record last year doing the same thing. I know a few guys were trying for the record on the same day but I don't see this being any sort of big fad. Its just way more involved than most people would care for. I know I have no desire to catch 4 inch sunnies for 24 straight hours.

If you really look at the lake and the fish population I could even argue that in the metro area we might be better off if this guy caught and kept all 2649 sunnies. Most of the sunnies in the metro are stunted anyways and are vastly over populated. Thats why he can catch so many on a single day. The lakes were never intended to host millions of stunted sunnies, they were meant to have a natural mix of small and large fish of all species. That is something that is long gone in most lakes in the Twin Cities.


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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 12:36 PM 08/03/11 (CST)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not all up in arms about this, I'm not planning any protests or anything. I do agree with your opinion on this part of the issue. The lake could clearly have plenty of sunnies removed and not hurt the fishery. I just think it sets a bad example, and could start a trend that could be bad for fishing in other lakes that may not support this type of pressure.

I am really just looking for other peoples opinions on the subject. If the majority of people feel that it's really harmless, I can let it go. Besides, I'd rather be fishing than clicking.
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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 12:52 PM 08/03/11 (CST)
I'm kind of with DD on this one. I have several lakes up in the Ham Lake area where I can go and catch hundreds, if not thousands of these stunted sunnies. I actually avoid those lakes because it's too hard to get to any nice fish... so on the other hand, I agree with nofish in that it might be a good idea to take a chunk out of this type of population to get the fishery right on the lake. I guess I'm in the middle, somewhat... I don't like seeing that many fish handled, yet it might be a good idea to just keep them all. Funny the DNR doesn't have some sort of allowance for these types of lakes. I can see it now... the slot on lake XXX...

0"-5" C&R
6"-9" limit 4500
over 9" - 1

I'll take a dark roast over here smile smiley

talk about taking a stand... sheesh



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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 01:31 AM 08/04/11 (CST)
If you're against this, are you also against bass and musky fishing contests? They also feature people catching as many big fish as they can in a relatively short time period, can be hard on the resource and set a similar example.

As long as we're bitching, I hate seeing Cass Lake opened to spearing. Kinda hard to spear-and-release.
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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 10:39 AM 08/04/11 (CST)
I certainly never expected this to happen. The odds of me agreeing with Odin on virtually any point..... never mind TWO..... and that agreement happening within SAME POST... are near unimaginable!

After all, a guy who calls himself by the name of a mythical Norse god has to be absolutely consumed and dripping with narcissism.

However, concerning the issue at hand even you and I have some common ground!

That is an excellent point you raised about the tournament fishing. A tournament is nothing more than attempting to catch the largest total poundage of fish over a set period of time. It can be one night, three days, or any time limit agreed upon and set up. However, in practice it is the same as the guy catching sunnies on the dock. They both are putting as many in the boat, or on the dock, as they can within the time allotted. Both also tend to release the fish unharmed. Both fishing endeavors are done for publicity, (name in Guinness records) or for money ($2500 cash to the first place angling team). They are in reality identical in their application to the fishery. Good point Odin.

The second area I must agree with you on is the opening of Cass Lake to spearing. This will do nothing but hurt the fishery and take out many of the larger fish. You stated," Kinda hard to spear-and-release". Exactly. Spearing is for the scrubs of fishing that are unable to catch fish with their own ability. Why not just open it up to shotguns?

It will probably never happen again. However, today even Odin and I find two points of agreement!

DD and Dude.... I'm putting a new pot on for us even as I type. Extra dark. Fresh brew up in 5 minutes.

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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 04:46 PM 08/04/11 (CST)
To a certain degree, I agree with you guys as well. But a couple of key points on tournaments.

The guys fishing are required to keep their fish alive. And they are penalized for dead fish. These guys have the extra equipment needed for caring for the fish. Most tournies now have rules against culling, which helps with the catch as many as you can issues. They also are monitored by the DNR, and have a specialist on hand for caring for the catch brought in. They are also using artificial baits so that the fish don't get hooked too deep, and are more likely to survive. The DNR have been monitoring these type of tournies a lot harder in recent years so these types of concerns can be addressed. Musky tournies have been going to photos and length, and release. Not bring them in dead. The walleye circuit tend to be the hardest on the fish though. But these fish are being donated to the food shelves now to help out with the image thing. And the tournie rules still have to abide by the slot rules of the state or lake that they are on.

So not all tournies are bad.

Spearing? I know some guys that spear a lot. Most of the time these guys just watch and release, especially the big ones because they don't taste too good. Ever eaten a musky? They haven't either. Now I can't say that they represent all spear fisherman, but if it were me, I would probably be in their same shoes as well.
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