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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 10:50 AM 11/10/10 (CST)
As some of you may have seen or read, today is the 35th anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Most of us have probably heard Gordon Lightfoot's song at least once in our lives. There is a Mariners Church in Detroit and they do chime the bell 29 times each November 10, although the service is dedicated to all who have lost their lives in the more than 6,000 shipwrecks/sinkings on the Great Lakes. For those who are interested, a quick Google search will get you to all sorts of articles, photographs, etc. Here is a link to the article in the Duluth News Tribune, which also has some photos, etc. Webdude, please hotlink. Thoughs and prayers to the families, as always.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/183597 - fixed link - WebDude
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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 09:25 PM 11/14/10 (CST)
Great link, thanks.
Being a diver myself, I have read and heard allot about the ship. Here is a little bit of interesting info on her. All dives on her have been in submersables except for one.
Scuba divers Terrence Tysall and Mike Zee used trimix gas to dive to the Fitzgerald in 1995. They are the only humans known to touch the Fitzgerald wreck. They set records for the deepest scuba dive on the Great Lakes, the deepest shipwreck dive, and the first divers to reach the Fitzgerald without the aid of a submersible. They took six minutes to reach the wreck, six minutes to survey the wreck, and three hours to ascend to the surface to avoid decompression sickness.
All parties showed the utmost respect as the site is considered a berial site as it contains the remains of all 29 crew members.

I have done some wrecks in my life on the west coast, as well as overseas. I have dove 3 wrecks on Lake Minetonka and I am planning on diving the Hesper and the Madeira come this summer in Superior. Would be pretty cool to see the Fitz though.


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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 07:23 AM 11/15/10 (CST)
Hey MNRescueDiver,

Welcome to My Fishing Pals. Glad to have you aboard!



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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 05:47 PM 11/15/10 (CST)
Thanks for the welcome! Looking forward to my time here.


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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 09:07 AM 11/16/10 (CST)
MNRescueDiver,
Welcome to MFP, we are happy to have you!



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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 09:18 AM 11/16/10 (CST)
Hey MNRescueDiver-

Welcome to MFP! I think you will find the site fun and educational.

I have a question for you. If a person was interested in starting to dive how and where would you recommend they begin? I suspect it is a venture lots of folks might have an interest in but not know how to really start.

Thanks and again, Welcome to MFP!

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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 01:39 PM 11/16/10 (CST)
Fisher--here's a little primer. The first thing you need to do is become a certified diver. There are different levels of certifications. The most basic is called Open Water, there is Advanced Open Water (which is what I have), Rescue Diver (which is what I assume MNRescueDiver has), I think there is Instructor, there may be Wreck and/or Cave certifications, and I am sure there are others. Thre are a couple of groups that certify divers, instructors, etc. My certification is through PADI, there is another group called NAUI, and I believe there are others. Checking out their websites might be a good first step.

Down here in South Florida there are dive shops on every corner so its not hard to find a class. I assume a Google search might find you a class somewhere near where you live, and the PADI and NAUI sites might help you locate a class. The class consists of some book work, some pool work to become acquainted with the gear, and then several dives with the instructor. During the dives you do some basics, like learn to clear your mask if it gets flooded, navigate by compass underwater--I specifically remember this one b/c my first compass didn't work and I started swimming to Cuba--learn to buddy dive--each diver carries two regulators, so if someone runs out of air you can share the second tank, or if your regulator fails you have a second--and things like that.

I suspect that classes in Minnesota or other northern climates are a little different than here. In the summer in So. Florida you don't need a wetsuit b/c the water temp in the shallows can get above 85 degrees, so I often dive in a t-shirt and bathing suit as most of the diving I do is in less than 20 feet. Diving Minnetonka, for example, even in the summer probably requires a wetsuit to help keep warm, it does not take long for hypothermia to set in even when water temps are in the 70s. Diving Superior, even a shallow dive, might require a dry suit or other equipment due to the even colder temps. If you decide to give ti a shot I'm sure you can talk to the place you take the classes in order to get a good idea what equipment is needed. You can usually rent most of the equipment so you don't have to sink a lot of money into gear just to try it out.

I'm sure MNRescue can add some specifics about diving in the Great White NOrth. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 02:06 PM 11/16/10 (CST)
Mmmmmm... interesting thread here. I betchya there aren't many forums for diving in the cold north, eh?

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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 05:52 PM 11/16/10 (CST)
Thanks for the welcomes everyone.

SCUBA certification.

BKchero has listed off some of the levels. Let me expand on his suggestions.

Before you even become certified, most shops have a TRY SCUBA program. I know that where I am in MN, my dive shop guy charges 35 and that includes: all equipment needed. BC, regulators, masks, fins, weights, tanks, air, shorty wets suit ( a surfing wetsuit) as the pool we do it in is usually around 80F. You get 1/2 hour of instruction ( how to use the bc, clearing water from mask, how to find and put your regulator back in) and another hour in the pool to swim around and try it. I just had my buddy in for his and he is hooked for sure!!
I learned to dive during my basic military combat divers course. It was basic skills just in case we ever needed to use it. I loved it. Once I got out I had to get my civilian certification because I never did my training through one of recognized companies. I was certified by PADI in 94 and have been diving ever since. I currently have more than enough dives and just need to finish one extra credit course to receive my Dive Master certification. For fun we keep track of hours spent under and right now I have just over 4 days under water. As for my handle on here. I am training as a volunteer Emergency Response Diver..ERD, for a local county Sheriff's Dept. I also was Paramedic / Firefighter for 9 yrs as well as being a Hazmat Response Tech. I do allot of wreck diving and my deepest dive on regular SCUBA gear is 120ft in the Pacific Ocean. Just got my 13yr old daughter certified this past summer and she makes a great dive buddy!!
As for the levels, PADI, NAUI, and SSI. Each has different levels but are similar. I will use SSI as that is what I am now. If you like the try scuba, I know my instructor will add the pool time, cost, and lessons towards the full Open Water course. Once you have done that there are many other classes you can do. Boat diving, night diving, wreck dives, deep dive, rescue diver, nitrox, trimix, dry suit, ice diver, and a few others that I can't think of right now. Once you have done a certain amount of dives and have 2 other specialty dives, you become and Advanced Open water diver. Basically advanced is just showing that you grasp the concept of scuba, bouncy control, safety, and are comfortable enough to achieve that level. My log book is out in the car but I think off the top of my head that the dives needed for AOW are... 30? You then work your way up to 50 dives. This is the minimum amount of dives needed for your Dive Master. You also need rescue diver, and 4 specialty dives to achieve this level. Once you have achieved this level you can continue on to get your Dive Con rating. This is basically a Dive Master with some instructional course under your belt. With a Dive Con rating I can help my instructor by allowing him to have more students in the pool or on a dive. It enables me to lead a dive group of multiple divers as well as a Dive Con can teach and certify students in snorkeling. After that is your instructor ratings, and I know that there are branches of course and careers that you can do with that.
As for the MN climes.....ya....depends on when and where you go. During this past summer I was diving to depths of 25ft in my swim trunks and nothing else but my bc, tank, and mask. We were at Lake Wazzee in WI and the water temps were in the 80's down to that depth. I was loving it!! Picking up crayfish, breaking them open, and hand feeding 2 to 5 lbd bass....it was a blast. They come right up to you and if you sit still they will come right up to your mask because they can see themselves in it. I have a 2 piece farmer johns 7mm suit that I were when it gets really cold. For my other diving, I just wear the outer part of the farmer johns and go with no gloves or hood. I overheat very quickly and like it better that way. I have been told by a Diving Physician that on an average dive you burn around 2000 calories...yes I said 2 THousand!! You are weightless and are swimming with about 100 lb's on you for any where from 20 minutes to over an hour... now going deeper...that is a different story!! On the surface, on average, the temps are between 70 and 80f. After the first thermocline it drops to around 50 to 60 range. Than there is another one....and this is the one that hurts....lol. Temps will drop to 30 to 40. Back at Wazze, we went to 70 ft and I registered 44f on my dive computer. At 100ft it went to 32f......bloody cold!! These are just summer temps. Winter temps......as ERD's we do ice diving. Cut huge triangles out of the ice, tie off to a tether, and in we go. Most will do this in a dry suit but there are some of us who have done it in a wet suit......BAD IDEA!!!!! Talk about "shrinkage"!! lol.
That is about the jist of most of what you need to know. There is also a myriad of other courses and things you can do with it. As for cost....you would be surprised at just how affordable it really is. The OW course through my dive shop owner is about $475 I do think. This includes your books, ALL equipment and tanks and air needed, and 3 pool lessons, and 4 open water dives. You become certified after your 4th dive.
Where abouts are you? If anyone is interested local dives shops are a place to start, but be very aware that there are those who will take you for a milk run in this sport. Ask for customer reviews, phones numbers etc. If any one is in the Twin Cities/ Shakopee area, send me a message and I am sure I can get something set up for you with my dive shop guy. He is very honest, a fellow firefighter, and his prices are the cheapest I have seen by far. When I first met him I had been shopping around to buy my own gear. The lowest any other shop could come close to was 1700 without tax...and the guy couldn't even get out of his chair to help me. My daughter goes to school with my local owners son, and he is just an honest, down to earth guy. He has given me veteran discounts on some of my gear and invites me along to pool sessions and such. Very nice guy. I walked out of his shop with brand new top of the line gear. Everything needed to dive, except tank as I still had my own, and WITH tax I paid 1236. huge difference from above.
OK.....I am all typed out now.......hope this helps!!

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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 03:34 AM 11/19/10 (CST)
Thanks for the input guys!

I would think lots of folks would give diving a consideration. One of my buddies dives a lot and he says that it greatly increased his ability to catch fish...especially in summer. He said waiting and watching on points and along the thermocline enabled him to put a visual on how the fish swam along them. I can attest that it did increase the numbers of fish he was catching when I fished with him.

If you just happened to have any cool dive pictures you could post I am sure the members here would be thrilled to see them!

Thanks again guys!

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