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BigBite
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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 11:08 AM 03/19/10 (CST)
As though the Feds don't control enough aspects of our lives. They want to take over the auto industry, now they are looking at student loans and health care... but watch out people... these legislators in office are absolutley nuts. It seems we may be looking at the Feds to take over fishing as well. crazy smiley crazy smiley I am going crazy. They take our money, take our votes, take everything they can and then refuse to listen, follow procedure or even care about "We the People!"

It seems that the federal government is intent on telling us how we can utilize our nation’s waters, fresh and salt, as well as public and private, using a United Nations model. The Obama administration is looking at a federal strategy that could or would prohibit us from fishing some of the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even some other inland waters.

The administration has established the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force that is going to be in charge of "...developing a recommendation for a national policy that ensures protection, maintenance, and restoration of oceans, our coasts and the Great Lakes." The task force will set up a framework for improving stewardship along with coastal and marine planning.

What a bunch of CRAP! The Feds just keep coming up with one new tax-eating bureaucracy after another. The following is an excerpt from the American Sportfishing Association...

"While the goal of improving coordination among the federal and state agencies that manage or regulate our oceans and coasts is a laudable goal and efforts should be made to achieve it, the Interim Framework, however, raises more questions than it answers and appears to call for significant, fundamental changes to both the regulatory structure and statutory authorities that form the basis for nearly every aspect of oceans management and use. Of particular concern is the potential creation of new bureaucracies that would impose top-down regulations, which would impinge on state agencies which have primary jurisdiction for resident fish and wildlife. Without recreational angler input, decisions made under this national oceans policy could be used to unnecessarily close saltwater and freshwater recreational fishing areas."

Now I've seen it all and it saddens me greatly that we have gone this far down a road that we may not be able to detour from.




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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 11:17 AM 03/19/10 (CST)
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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 09:24 PM 03/19/10 (CST)
Never in the history of america have our elected leaders made laws that laughed in the face of what we really stand for. How many un-elected officials do we really need to tell us how to run our state.

Currently in minnesota we have a legislator pushing a bill to ban gang member databases for law enforcement. The reason being it violates thier privacy, but they can tell me it's against the law to not have health insurace. You really can't make it up.

But yet no bill to protect our inland state waters from yet another intrusive federal guideline. Cough six pack Cough

Just think under obama we have over 20% more federal employees making over 100,000 a year. I bet this new task force will have a few more over that mark also.

Don't ever think your voice isn't heard no matter how much the government want's you to believe it isn't

Sorry to have to vent but I work hard for my money and benefits and pay plenty to those who don't deserve it already. mad smiley mad smiley

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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 01:12 PM 03/21/10 (CST)
Big Bite, there is possibly more to this story then you think. Please check out Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fishingban.asp
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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 03:30 PM 03/22/10 (CST)
I understand perfectly well what Snopes says... that's not the problem. You have an administration that lies through their teeth to get their legislation in place. They can talk all they want about what they are NOT going to do. What I am worried about is what they WILL do. These aren't your typical legislators that we have in place right now. And the bills you see coming out of Washington in the future will have nothing to do with "We the People." So what are they going to be for? Nothing but increasing the power of the feds and the ability to move closer to a Socialistic state.

According to Obama... making health care more affordable for everyone is really the goal of our new Health Refortm Bill. But consider one mathematical fact: The purchase of 30 million new insurance policies that cost $5,000 each is only $150 billion, which is a fraction of the real price tag of ObamaCare.

One can therefore reasonably conclude that ObamaCare isn't really about making health care more available or affordable to those who need it and can't afford it. It isn't about lowering insurance costs or reducing the federal deficit. What has been proposed achieves none of these objectives.

ObamaCare is simply a leviathan of a lie, whose only practical impact for generations to come will be increased welfare-state dependency on government, greater government intrusion and control over people's personal lives and privacy, reduced availability of health care providers as more of them are driven from their professions -- all of which translates to higher and higher costs, which only accelerates the country's financial death spiral.

So, keeping that in mind, why have the feds take over student aide? Why have the feds do anything? It isn't the fact that say they want to control the waters of the US, it's the fact that when this legislation IS passed, potential creation of new bureaucracies that would impose top-down regulations could usurp the State's rights to manage their own waters. Now that is downright scary. The people and the states give up more freedom and power every year to the feds. Just think of the mandates that the feds could put in place... Sorry, you can only use 4 stroke motors, the others pollute too much. Sorry, you can't fish this lake because you will disturb the two-eyed lizard snake which is on the endangered species list. Sorry you can't fish here because these waters are deemed a pollution free zone. Sorry. you can't, you can't, you can't. And if the states don't go along? The feds will just cut some funding here and there to force them to.

This is a slippery slope we are going down. And you have people in office who want us to become one big nanny state in which someone else gets to call the shots as to what we can and cannot do. Heck... we already can't tell these people where to spend our money. They just take and take and give nothing back.





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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 05:39 PM 03/24/10 (CST)
"One can therefore reasonably conclude that ObamaCare isn't really about making health care more available or affordable to those who need it and can't afford it. It isn't about lowering insurance costs or reducing the federal deficit. What has been proposed achieves none of these objectives."

Actually, I believe it will make healthcare more available and affordable to those who need it and can't afford it, particularly the poor and people with pre-existing conditions. If the rich have to be taxed more to help achieve that, I don't have a problem with that.

The current system, in which insurance companies increase their profits by denying claims and increasing premiums, is unsuitable for any country that strives for fairness.
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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 07:12 AM 03/25/10 (CST)
First off... there are laws in place already that make it against the law for an insurance company to deny claims... look it up. It's been there for years. And as to people saying they have been denied claims in which the contract stated were covered, that is also a lie. There are none. In fact, a national radio host asked for a specific example of this for over 3 months and received not one call. Just ain't so... that is the hype that the left would like us to think is happening because of "Big Bad Business." Get your facts straight.

Also... I and my wife make less the 60,000 a year. I pay a lot for my health insurance already along with the amount that my employer kicks in. When you say rich people, are you talkng about me? Cause I gotta tell you, come 2014, I guarantee my rates are going to skyrocket.

Look... somebody has to pull the wagon, we all can't take a ride.

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money"

Margaret Thatcher


Be afraid... very afraid.




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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 03:26 PM 03/25/10 (CST)
I'm not going down the health care road in this thread.

The original topic of this thread was federal control of fishing. It has already happened to some extent. The feds now require that saltwater anglers either be licensed in their state or else they are required to have a federal saltwater fishing license. In other words, they have forced states to require licenses for all anglers (except the usual exceptions of kids, senoir citizens, etc.) under the guise that licensing all anglers will help build more accurate catch and economic statistics.

This was a big issue in Florida, because for years Florida residents who fished in the ocean from land or anything attached to land did not need a license. That was done so that the true subsistence fisherman (and there are a lot more of them than you might think) didn't have to spend extra $ on a license. It is my understanding that many of the states from New Jersey north on the Atlantic coast also did not require saltwater fishing licenses. In any event, all of those people must not get licenses because the feds said so.

In defense of our current president, the push for federal licenses started during the Bush administration, so I'm not singling him out on this one. Besides, there's plenty of other reasons to be upset w/him and the actions he has undertaken as president.

So, before you all dismiss the original post because of what Snopes said, it has already happened on one front and I would not be surprised if it continues on the freshwater side. Admittedly, there are independent reasons that the fed. govt. claims support its desire to have all anglers licensed who fish in the ocean, namely that we share fish stock w/other countries and we need accurate counts on what U.S. anglers take when assessments are made, but at a time when it seems the feds are looking to take control of everything its just another reason to wonder what's really going on.
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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 07:13 PM 03/25/10 (CST)
Two quick points-

First, on the fishing thing... Snopes is right, If the Oceanic Whatever so and so Force wants to make suggestions, it's not a big deal. But, in many cases, the abuse of power is not far behind. Think about it, I think it was the Federal Highway Administration that suggested MN change our speed limits. We listened. But we really had no choice in the matter. Unless MN agreed to the "suggestions" we were set to lose millions of federal dollars for our roads. It's like someone offering you a handshake to settle a dispute but threatening to punch you in the nose if you don't shake hands. Great deal. Just the idea that they can with hold federal dollars from a state is insane. Especially when you look at the money coming from your check and going into the federal fund.

Also, The FEDs have tried to stick their paws into inland waters before with all the suggestions about zebra muscles. Wisconsin and Michigan both are entirely infested... Like ninety percent of waters in those states. Minnesota stood against the feds who were trying to legislate some mandated rules on fighting invasive species. We said hell no to them and after looking at the results we have had they dropped it and stopped squawking.



Second, on healthcare. I am uninsured and I would be looking to get healthcare coverage right now. Instead, I'm going to see if they put me in jail simply for living without health coverage. I'll let you know.

Also, My mother has pre-existing conditions that she lost her coverage because of. The state of MN has coverage for people in her condition. Yes, it was possible for that group to get coverage! I believe it's MN comprehensive care but I'm not sure. Either way she is covered and covered well... In the coming months I will be paying close attention to what happens. If she is forced into worse coverage, if her coverage gets better or if it's the same. I will let you know. The doctors and nurses at the Mayo say it will be a mess and they were all against it.


One more side note. One of my best friends Al, his mom has been a nurse for 20 years. She is also a BIG liberal. She told me that she has not met one nurse, doctor or healthcare professional who was for this bill... So when the DEMS talk about how disgusting it is that the people are getting really mad. Well, the people are being sold out, again...

I haven't had one thing go my way since I became interested in politics. I even flexed my activist muscles once by marching on the capital... Then watched on the news as they said our crowd of 10,000 was a crowd of "a couple hundred people angry about taxes." Then the news coverage felt it was important that everyone in the state know that our get together was a minority-less event. Strange how I managed to see thousands more people than the news camera saw and I saw minorities (not as many as I would have liked to see, though) in the crowd, while the news cameras couldn't see any of that...

Probably because they kept their cameras fixed on the stalin/obama sign nearly the entire four minutes of recording.

Hows that for sticking to the point!





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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 11:30 PM 03/25/10 (CST)
"First off... there are laws in place already that make it against the law for an insurance company to deny claims... look it up. It's been there for years. And as to people saying they have been denied claims in which the contract stated were covered, that is also a lie. There are none. In fact, a national radio host asked for a specific example of this for over 3 months and received not one call. Just ain't so... that is the hype that the left would like us to think is happening because of "Big Bad Business." Get your facts straight.

5 minutes on Google turned up this -



It's almost always coincidental when the blatherings of rightwing radio gasbags bear any resemblance to reality. Had anyone explained to you the difference between credible and non-credible sources and why it's important to know the difference?
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