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sportsnut218
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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 01:33 AM 06/25/08 (CST)
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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 09:47 AM 06/25/08 (CST)
"Kirk Schnitker said he believes Minnesota is stocking too many lakes with muskies, to the detriment of other species, including walleyes, northerns and crappies.

And he says the Department of Natural Resources – in its push to improve muskie fishing – has ignored studies that show muskies can adversely affect other fish species.

Nonsense, says Shawn Kellett. Minnesota’s muskie fishery is the envy of the nation, and expanding it hasn’t hurt other gamefish populations, he said."


Very interesting. I have never even thought of some of the issues that are in this article.



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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 11:14 AM 06/25/08 (CST)
yes there are too many...plain and simple....the lakes change...there are spots you cant catch a walleye anymore because of the muskies....it comes down to the type of boats on lakes and the type of fisherman too....not saying muskie fisherman are bad....but the catch and release aspect has gone a little wild....i have seen near fights over the fact that someone kept a muskie....if its legal and you have a license....keep what you want....that goes for eyes or any fish...yes the argument of keeping the fishery going is fine...but dnr is stocking anyhow...and the most avid muskie guy puts them all back anyhow....but one for the wall or the smoker here or there is not hurting a bit....probably helping....i know i will get crap for this post...and thats fine....but i can say what i wantand do what i want...as long as its legal....and yes they are fun to catch....a carp is fun to catch....as is a blugill....so nothing against fishing muskies.....but it is a free world!!!!!


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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 12:08 PM 06/25/08 (CST)
Well said Gary. What I don't understand is why are muskies so prized? You aren't supose to keep them and I've never heard of people eating them. I personally have never caught one or fished for them, so I just don't get what all the hubb bubb is about.

I'm the type of fisherman that goes fishing for fishing and not really for any one type of fish. Yeah I may try just to fish for eyes but I always seem to take home other fish as well. I guess I'm not a one species fisherman.


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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 04:08 PM 06/25/08 (CST)
I have heard alot of debate about Musikes hurting walleye populations over the years.

I have seen research proving both sides of the arguments. Personally I don't like when people hold one speices of fish above all others. Bass fisherman are very well known for this. If some bass guys see you keep a bass for the dinner table you might find your tires slashed back at the boat landing.

Muskie guys are the same way at times.

I don't fish for muskie and would probably release any that I caught but mainly becuase I don't have anything else to do with one. I don't care to eat it and I don't want to spend a couple hundred dollars for a mount. But if someone else wants to keep one then thats just great, knock yourself out.

Generally when a guy catches a muskie over 50 inches he should probably just keep it anyways if he wants a mount. A fish over 50 inches is most likely toward the end of its life cycle and is not a big reproducer any more. It might gain an inch or two yet before it dies but its on its last legs so removing it from the lake is not going to hurt anything.

In terms of stocking I prefer the DNR to stock fish to maintain the natural balance that a lake should have. I love to fish lakes with good multi species potential. Nature intended a balance and i think that should be the persuit of the DNR in their stocking efforts.

I would love to see stocking of quality bluegill, perch, crappie, along with more slots geared toward creating a greater balance between small and large pike in a lake. You need all speices and sizes to have the healthiest lake possible.


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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 04:40 PM 06/25/08 (CST)
Other than the fact that they say the larger muskies can hurt populations of other fish.. the release a trophy argument probably is the same idea as releasing trophy Largemouth Bass.. but to me it doesn't work as well because I've never heard of waters being stocked with "Bucketmouths" like they are with Muskies.

They're the largest "trophy fish" that you can catch in our waters, other than a really large sturgeon right? If they're going to stock them.. ya might as well keep your trophy but that's only my opinion. It's like deer limits to me, overpopulation is never good. And if at that size they're not breeding.. then why not?



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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 11:00 AM 06/26/08 (CST)
I find it interesting the people that oppose muskies are generally the fishermen that have been largely responsible for the destruction of northern pike fishing in Minnesota. Now they seem to think they are are better qualified then the MN DNR biologists managing muskies. If you want to find the fish that has eaten all our walleye look no further then all the millions of stunted northerns in our lakes not the few thousand muskie. I say the DNR should put a state wide northern pike protected slot on our lakes to get the stunted northern problem under control. If they did that so many millions of our fishing license dollars would not have to be wasted on stocking walleye.
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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 10:55 AM 06/27/08 (CST)
If the DNR is managing muskies like they did our northern white tail good luck. We now have way to many deer and no hunters. Most of the youth of years ago lost interest because they couldnt take a doe, now they cant give out enought tags!!
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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 11:05 AM 06/27/08 (CST)
There are a few other threads.. some in the "classics" section I think.. that deal with muskie catch/release and stocking issues.

Just s few thoughts concerning the muskie population and keeping of trophy fish that may not have entered most folks minds that don't fish for muskies much or research them greatly.....

1. In TOP OF THE LINE PRIME WATERS the population of muskies is only about 1 adult fish per acre of water. That means there is a VERY small population of large fish even on the most prime muskie waters...think about it... 1 adult fish, NOT EVEN TROPHY SIZE..JUST ADULT fish per acre on great muskie waters.

2. By removing that 50 incher we have removed one of the most prolific spawners.. and perhaps even more importantly genetically superior fish from the watershed. Some have thought a fish of that size was mostly past spawning... not so at all. If a fish is beyond spawning they typically will be small skinny and noticably unhealthy. A healthy 50 incher is normally a prime spawner.

3. To replace that 50 inch muskie will take perhaps a decade (10 years!) or longer depending on local variables... if it can be replaced at all. By keeping that large fish not only have superior genetics been removed from the watershed...but a fish that is irreplacable for over a decade was just killed...that is a heavy price to pay in the overall fishery just so someone can inflate their ego by putting a mount on the wall. Take a good picture.. make it into a 8X10 in a cool frame and you have a trophy every bit as nice.. but still have the prime spawning muskies and large fish retained in the system.

4. Muskies do not prefer to eat gamefish..however, they are opportunists and will eat whatever requires the least amount of energy to get. A carp, a sucker, shad, ciscoes, a 12 inch pike, a 20 inch pike, a 1/2 pound smallmouth or a 5 pound largemouth... a duck, a muskrat, or even a small dog may all find themselves on the menu for a muskie.

5. This "opportunistic" nature is why many have seen muskies pull fish from their lines.. the muskie saw an injured fish *(in their world) and ate the easy meal.

6. The pike issue is critical in muskies. Pike spawn first.. some 10 degrees plus of water temperature before muskies. This means the pike fry are a few inches long when the muskies spawn. the new muskie fry are exactly the right length for a few month old pike fingerling to eat. Since they spawn in the same areas the new muskie fry are normally wiped out by the new pike fingerlings in waters that have a large pike population.

7.Walleye anglers have had much bigger issues than muskies preying opportunistically on occasion on the walleye population. Things like overharvest, the cormorants that smashed much of the walleye population last year, prey base and spawning grounds for walleye. The list goes on .. but anything dealing with muskie predation is WAY WAY down the list.

8. I have a buddy that I muskie fish with. He believes there should be very strong walleye populations in the lakes that have muskies... he says the muskies need an easy lunch and a large walleye population is a great meal ticket for muskies that are lazy. cool smiley

This is only a listing of a few thoughts... but it does open some interesting discussion material.

A few more articles on the site that look at this in depth are..

http://myfishingpals.com/best-of-fishing-forum.taf?_function=detail&ForumMasterThreads_uid1=715&start=1

http://myfishingpals.com/best-of-fishing-forum.taf?_function=detail&ForumMasterThreads_uid1=1730&start=1

http://myfishingpals.com/best-of-fishing-forum.taf?_function=detail&ForumMasterThreads_uid1=673&start=1

Good fishing To Ya,

Jason "The Fisher" Pence
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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 11:36 AM 06/27/08 (CST)
Ok, so I was on the Bay in Duluth fishing for Eyes pulling a worm and a spinner. In one hour not one but two Muskies were caught on the spinner in 5ft of water. This was all in a 200 yard area. not one Eye was caught in the area. This area holds eyes all the time. But NOT NOW!!! mad smiley
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