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knoppers
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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 12:44 AM 03/08/08 (CST)
this site needs to promote its site better somehow. F.M. has over 1000 surfers on now, and I am the only one on here. some of the other sites have well over 200 on now, and its 12:41 am. if my fishing pals will ever work, we need to get the word out.

does my fishing pals have any caps, or shirts or stickers to promote the site?
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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 11:04 AM 03/08/08 (CST)
Good idea, but this is a non-profit site. And as such, it is kind of hard to sell stuff, much less pay for it. This as been discussed before in past threads.

Remember that there have also been get-togethers planned in the name of this site. Some of them went bust, others turned out way too well, if you know what I mean. Be careful of what you wish for, eh?

By the way, there is a user here that wants to make some caps. He asked me for permission to do so. I think he wants to see how many people want one and then every one pitch in and buy them. I told him I would buy one too. I mean... why not?

And one last thing about how many people are on-line... I was asked once about how we keep track of who's on-line... here is the answer. I removed some of the example sites because I don't want these other sites ticked off at me... Read this closely, and you will get an education, eh?

Accumilated Guests/Users

When anyone visits the site, guests included, they stay in the queue (server memory) for 30 minutes until falling off. So, when you see 50 guests, that is 50 guests that have visited within the past 30 minutes. Even if someone hits the home page and stays for just a couple of seconds and then leaves, they are recorded as a guest and stay as a guest for 30 minutes. It is not an exact science. Also, it is not a snapshot as to how many guests are online at that exact moment in time.

Does this make sense? Users are the same way. If Sand Burr visits, when he leaves, he stays in the queue for 30 miniutes until dropping off. Some sites, like (edited) and (edited) and (edited) leave their queue on for hours. The result is that it looks like they are extremely busy with hundreds of users online, yet some of those users may not have been on the site for several hours. It's a little trick of the trade. I try not to abuse it. 30 minutes seems like an overall good time for the queue. At first I had it set up for 3 minutes... It looked like no one was ever visiting the site. I then set it for 3 hours and it looked like we always had hundreds of users. A commercial site would definitely set this to a higher level to give the impression that they are always busy... neat trick, eh?

If I set it for 12 hours, we would be the busiest fishing site on the planet. We had 88,000 visitors last month. If you divide that up, it comes to around 2940 visitors a day. If you consider that 80% of these visitors visit during the day, at some point, if the queue was set for 12 hours, you would probably see 2000 guests/users online, maybe more.

Now, I do know that (edited) and (edited) have their sites set at some unGodly time. I think I tested it about a year ago. A few hours, I think. It's easy to test. You can only test if the site is set NOT to remember you. So turn off that function on the site, if you can... then here are the steps..

1. Log In to the site.

2. Verify that your username is in the queue (bottom of the page or wherever).

3. Close your browser - and I mean all windows (need to "Quit" on Mac).

4. Restart your browser.

5. Go back to the site and periodically hit refresh to see how long your username stays in the queue.

If you did this on our site, you would see that your username stays there for 30 minutes and then gets dropped.

Another way would be if you had 2 computers...

1. Log into site.

2. Close browser and all windows ("Quit" on Mac) OR... do not refresh any page or click any links.

3. Go to another computer and go to the site and click refresh until your username falls out of the queue.


I hope this make sense to you. There are all sorts of trickery sites out there use... things are not always what they appear. We could get into fake users and multiple users by moderators and all that stuff too... but I really am not here to slam other sites...

Past threads about using promotional products...


http://myfishingpals.com/Minnesota-Fishing-Forum.taf?_function=detail&ForumMasterThreads_uid1=3230&start=1&ForumNumber=9

http://myfishingpals.com/Minnesota-Fishing-Forum.taf?_function=detail&ForumMasterThreads_uid1=3452&start=1&ForumNumber=9








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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 10:15 PM 03/08/08 (CST)
thanks webdude for the answers.
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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 07:02 AM 03/10/08 (CST)
I was logged into another site yesterday AM. I went back to the site this AM. 24 hours later and I was still logged in. Webdude you were right!!!!
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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 07:14 AM 03/10/08 (CST)
Yep... that means that queue is set for at least 24 hours. Now think about that... if a queue is set to 24 hours, what you will see is all the users and guests that have visited that site during that 24 hour period. If I did that, we would show 3000 users/guests as being logged in.

Might be fun to set it that way for a day and see what happens smile smiley



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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 09:27 PM 03/14/08 (CST)
it depends on the replys?
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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 11:31 PM 03/14/08 (CST)
No, it does not depend on replies... it depends on clicks. As soon as you open a page, you clicked to get here. If you have your preferences set up for the site to automatically remember you, it will show your user name on the bottom of the forum pages. If you have your preferences set up to not remember you, you are automatically assigned a user name called "guest."

On this site, if you do not click anything for 30 minutes, your user name will be removed from the bottom of the page. If you click anything before that 30 minutes is up, it resets the queue to remember you again for another 30 minutes. If you keep on clicking through to different pages and looking at stuff and opening other pages, it resets the clock to 30 minutes everytime you click to get to a page.

So, even if you do not reply to a post, if you are logged in, you will be displayed on the bottom of the page. You can even leave this site and go surfing elsewhere, but as long as you return within 30 minutes, you will still reset that clock.

When you look at the bottom of the page and see 25 guests, this means there are 25 people that have visited in the past 30 minutes. Some of these people may not be members, others are members that are not logged in. As soon as you log in, you change your user name from guest to whatever your username is. Now there would be 24 guests and a new username at the bottom of the page.


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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 08:06 AM 03/15/08 (CST)
I know of a few websites that keep you logged in for more than an hour even though you have you computer turned off..



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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 10:26 AM 03/15/08 (CST)
Ted,

You nailed it, but made it a bit confusing.

Look at it this way. Let's say the world is the Internet and a house is a website and every room in a house is a webpage.

At the MFP house, when you go in you are given a nametag. If we know you, we put your username on the nametag. If we don't know you, we give you a nametag that says "guest" on it. Now you are also given a stopwatch that is set with 30 minutes on it.

Now we have a very short memory in the MFP house. Our memory only lasts 30 minutes. If you go into a livingroom and just sit in there for over 30 minutes, we forget who you are and your nametag is changed from your username to "guest." But, everytime you go into a room, we recognize you and reset your stop watch to 30 minutes.

When you leave the MFP house, the stopwatch still runs, but it cannot be reset to 30 minutes. So if you go and visit the neighbor, if you come back to our house within 30 minutes, we still remember you and reset the 30 minutes back on your stopwatch. If you leave our house for over 30 minutes, we forget who you are and give you a guest nametag and reset your stopwatch to 30 minutes.

Does this make sense?

And howdy, rickg... it's been a while, eh?



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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 03:04 PM 03/15/08 (CST)
ours is set for 20 minutes . i dont know if we can set it for less or not. the reason some of the "other" sites do this is for their sponsors. they like to inflate how many folks are online etc .... i for one do not base anything on how manyfolks are singed in but on content . if i find an interesting article i will go back .. any way thissite is a great one i think that all that have helped with the growth have done a great job!!!! keep up the great work .

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