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SurfsUp
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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 08:51 AM 08/09/07 (CST)
Dudes...I could not believe my ears! I heard 2 guys in an argument the other night over some native tribes netting HUGE masses of walleye from local lakes...Red and Mille Lacs maybe??? I am new to the area so I think those were the lakes they mentioned.

Point being that they both agreed that the 100,000 pounds of fish were taken by net...they just disagreed over if it was right to do so. The arguement got pretty heated.

I find it hard to believe that this happens! Is this true? How do you guys who fish feel about that? Doesn't that take the population down so much that the success rate for hook/line anglers plummets on those lakes?

And even worse..I have heard that in the spring many walleye and big fish called muskies are SPEARED! Are you kidding me man! I lived in Southern-Cal most of my life and there is like NO WAY that we would let that happen to the fish and animals. They are living things to you know. I love to catch fish but there are lots of studies that show they do not posses pain receptors like we do and therefore do not feel a hook penetration. For the fish I guess it is about the same as when they eat another fish that has spines on the fins.

I have digressed. What about this netting and spearing thing. Can someone clear this up for me...I CAN NOT believe that it would be allowed. That is just wrong on so many levels.

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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 09:13 AM 08/09/07 (CST)
You just opend up a huge can of worms!
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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 09:28 AM 08/09/07 (CST)
I know its a hot issue and most people don't like the netting. But Mille Lacs is probably the best walleye fishery in the world so I fail to see where it is harming the lake in any way. The only thing it harms is the amount of fish a guy can keep.

It all relates back to old treaties we made with the Native Americans, let me reassure you all that despite the netting rules we still got the better end of all those deals.


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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 11:05 AM 08/09/07 (CST)
Since you are from SoCal, you wouldn't know that spearing is common in the north, through the ice, for several species. Northern pike is the most common, although there are others. Some also use bow and arrow. Walleye and muskies are usually not targeted by spearfishing, most likely because it is illegal. You should check the DNR regulations to see what can and can't be speared. Also, it is not allowed on some waters. I grew up in Michigan and speared pike as a kid, but haven't done it in years.

Tofu burgers aren't the only thing they do differently in SoCal.

As for the netting issue, there is a lot of background that you would need to know to understand the entire issue. I don't know all of it, but I know the Native American Tribes are allowed to net walleye. Some lakes, such as Lower Red, are not even open to non-Native Americans.
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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 11:50 AM 08/09/07 (CST)
There is a whole organization dedicated to this "problem" located here...

http://perm.org/

Lots of stuff to read on this site. Also has trial transcripts of the Supreme Court decision and everything having to do with Mille Lacs and Red Lake.



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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 12:22 PM 08/09/07 (CST)
WOW...what a brutally barbaric way to fish. And then to somehow JUSTIFY it!

I have been doing some research now that this came up. I found that almost the entire northern quarter of Wisconsin is in "ceeded" territories and is therefore allowed to be speared by virtue of an ancient treaty! If I read things correctly then the spearing treaties that the Wisconsin tribes are using are similar to ones now being headed into Minnesota courts by Minnesota tribes. If I understood it correctly there is little reason to think that the spearing will not be also allowed in Minnesota soon...especially with the precedent on a bordering state! I am in Duluth...I can look across the bay and see where spearing is legal. How will you guys feel when there are another 100,000 pounds of walleyes and hundreds of muskies speared out of Minnesota lakes in a few years? Add those poor creatures to the netted total and..well man, the lids gotta pop !

What even kicks the thing in more is the Minnesota residents who are complaining about netting and potential spearing while THEY ARE SPEARING through ice holes in the winter! Same or different species..who cares..it's still spearing! I never intend to spear a fish..if I do not have the skill to catch one with my hook, line, and wits then I should go home without catching any. I can not see ANY REASON AT ALL to spear a fish except the total drive of ego in a "little" man (take it every way its meant!)to make up for his lack of skill and ability when fishing. Dude... that has to be the magnum supreme expression of hypocrisy.

By the way..a tofu burger is pretty good with fresh veggies as condiments. And you know what? I didn't have to kill or spear anything to get it. It came out of the ground like food was meant to. I went to the grocery store here locally and found that their was a fifth food group in the midwest called "The Crisco and Fry Batter Group". Wonder what that costs in national health care each year for heart attack rehab?

Can anyone justify ANY spearing to me..guys in ice houses fishing are just poor fishers that have to satisfy an ego that their skill can't fulfill.

I thought Minnesota was the state that brought us McGovern... wow...how the mighty have fallen.

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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 12:28 PM 08/09/07 (CST)
I'm not saying that spearing is good nor bad. From what I understand about it is that it takes a lot of time and patients for even a sight of a fish in a spear house. However, lets keep those blazing guns pointed at the real culprits of our lakes not us fishermen who pay hand over fist in licences and what not to keep our sport alive.
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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 12:56 PM 08/09/07 (CST)
How easy would it be to spear a walleye? There would only be a few hours a day when they would even be shallow enough to make a go of it.


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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 01:11 PM 08/09/07 (CST)
Hey Nofish,

Wow, this has the potential to be a boil over issue if there ever was one. However, maybe it is time we hashed it out in the sporting community. It doesn't appear it is going away so perhaps we should bare our feelings and see if there is a common ground.

Nofish I'm not sure which spearing you are refering to. The ice house or the tribal spearing from boats.

However, I assume you mean the tribal spearing from boats. In the Wisconsin spearing issues it isn't a daytime only spearing. Boats are equipped with spot lights mounted to the front of the boat that then shine into the water at night. This of course illuminates the entire bottom of the lake, river, etc. Boats are launched at night during the spring walleye spawning run, and as you know that means the walleyes will all be up in very shallow water to spawn. It is an easy thing to then spear as many walleye as you wish as they are just stacked on the shallow shoals at night.

While in Wisconsin I often saw guys leaving the boat ramp in the morning that had gone out the night before and speared hundreds of walleyes that night. I realize there are lot's of sides to this argument...maybe we should open things up and let folks put their 2 cents in on it.

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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 01:34 PM 08/09/07 (CST)
Honestly I am not real well informed on this topic so I would need to do some reading before I could make any real educated posts.

I realized the do the spring spearing but I guess I really didn't think of it while making my last post.

Do people know what is done with these fish after they are harvested? I assume they go to help feed the people on the reservation. Or are they sold commercially?

I am not real sure how I feel in this issue. In the history of our country the native americans have gotten the short end of the stick in every situtation so in one hand it doesn't bother me that we allow them to continue with their traditions that have been had for generations.

Although I am not sure what impacts this has on our lakes. I tend to think it must not be that bad if Mille Lacs can be maintained as a level as good as it is.

I would need to hear more info before I truly started to lean one way or the other.


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