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Daily Subscription Msg 1 Posted: 09:22 AM 03/15/07 (CST)
Over the weekend we were fined for "posession of filleted fish on slot protected waters." to the tune of 132 dollars. There is a couple things that really urk me with this one. 1.) The law states that you cannot posess filleted fish on slot proteced waters as long unless your watercraft is moored to a dock. 2.) THe regulations state nothing specific about cooking fish in an ice house. 3.) We had 8 fish filleted and 6 on the ice for a total of 14 fish for 5 guys. The gentleman that cited us tried citing us for 2 fish over our limit as well. When our limit would have been 20. He stated that our 8 fish were 32 fillets! In his defense the fish were filleted and cut into small pieces to cook that evening on the ice. But i beleieve a 5 year old could look at those fillets and see that they were in small chunks. Anyway, we were wrong we pay the ticket, fine, whatever. Well a buddy of mine called the minneapolis dnr office and asked if we were alowed to cook fish on the ice in the fishhouse on lake of the woods. They said "ya why not" He went on to explain his point of view on the law and said that we had a valid argument. My buddy also made the comment that "being our fishhouse is licensed by the state and dnr it is in theory a watercraft? So in theory we could tie a rope to our fish house and tie it off to a tree on shore and be considered moored?" To which the response was "Well i guess that is just another loop hole in the law." ANyway it sure would be nice to have something written a little clearer in the refulations. We have sense emailed our represenatives and senators to push for a change. I am not here to cut down on our CO's or laws, yes we were in the wrong, yes we will pay the fine, but what is the difference if you cook them on shore or in the fish house? Our fish were cleaned on shore at the lake road lodge, it is not that we were keeping illegal fish, we even had the carcassas at the motel.
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Daily Subscription Msg 2 Posted: 09:32 AM 03/15/07 (CST)
There are a lot of regulations that are either worded very poorly or just vaguely implied that will result in you getting a hefty fine.

One regulation that bugs me is when you have a limit of fish either on the ice or in your live well you are apparently not allowed to continue fishing for that species even if you immediately release all the fish above your limit.

I have heard to completely different takes on this law, two emails sent to the DNR received to separate and completely contradicting answers.

There are a lot of times when we can try to obey all the laws and still find ourselves breaking them.

But in your case I have heard of what you were doing being illegal; I know it is on Mille Lacs for sure.



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Daily Subscription Msg 3 Posted: 09:43 AM 03/15/07 (CST)
Cooking perch for instance on MilleLacs is ok as long as you have the carcass to show & they count towards the daily limit,but walleyes that have a slot on them can not be cleaned and eaten on the lake.
I was told by Aitkin Co.DNR.



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Daily Subscription Msg 4 Posted: 09:47 AM 03/15/07 (CST)
What CK just said is the same exact thing that i have always been told, and it holds true for any water with a slot limit.

You can't eat any slot protected fish on the water, becuase its impossible for the CO to measure the fish to check for slot fish if its been filleted.




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Daily Subscription Msg 5 Posted: 10:44 AM 03/15/07 (CST)
I understand what we did was illegal but there are so many loop holes I guy could go through. Why is it you can fillet and eat perch on mille lacs as long as u keep the carass what is the difference if i have walleye carcasses they could still be measured. Right?
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Daily Subscription Msg 6 Posted: 11:04 AM 03/15/07 (CST)
You can eat the perch becasue they don't need to be measured. I suppose if you kept the walleye carcass completely intact and just took the fillet the fish could still be measured although probably not as easily.

There are always loop holes I guess and if the regs were written to close all of them the regs book is going to be A LOT thicker in future years.

The reg. I mentioned above about fishing after you have your limit is not mentioned in the book at all, or if it is I haven't found it yet. But still it is apparently against the law, now I really think that if something is against the law it should atleast be written down in the regs book.


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Daily Subscription Msg 7 Posted: 01:37 PM 03/15/07 (CST)
I guess all I am saying is that by sending out some emails or makeing some phone calls we could make some changes. I know there are people in the dnr office and our legislators and senators that are with us on this. At least clarify the law.
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Daily Subscription Msg 8 Posted: 02:18 PM 03/15/07 (CST)
Here are some thoughts from a lawyer:

1) Is "watercraft" defined in the statutes or regulations. If it is, I doubt a fish house is included in the definition. If it is not defined, a judge would normally use the dictionary definition or a common-sense interpretation of watercraft, and I doubt fish house fits.

2) You are right that, to you and me, there is no difference whether or not you cook them on the ice or at home (or camp), other than they probably taste better fresh out of the water. However, the law in its current form at least gives a CO a chance of enforcing the law on the water. On the other hand, enforcing a law that says you can't clean fish from a slot protected lake would be nearly impossible, people would just say they caught the fish on lake (fill in a name) that has no limit and how would the CO prove otherwise?
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Daily Subscription Msg 9 Posted: 03:11 PM 03/15/07 (CST)
A fish fry while ice fishing on Lake of The Woods is a Tradition in my book, I don't ever recall going to LOTW and not having one.

Even if you clean Saugers which are not slot protected on LOTW they are considered a Walleye once cleaned and count toward your 4 Walleye limit.
You can continue to fish once your limit is reached but no livewell sorting or culling of fish is allowed.

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Daily Subscription Msg 10 Posted: 03:31 PM 03/15/07 (CST)
PB,

I quoted that same exact reg. from the book when I emailed the DNR and they still said that it was against the law to keep fishing for a speices once you reach your limit for that type of fish.

To me I can't see where it would even be implied that it is illegal but that is what the guy claimed.

I think if you got ticketed for it you would have a real good case in court but I think if it is infact illegal I think it needs to be specified in the regs book.


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